Wednesday, March 11, 2009

"Christian"

I wrote Monday about the spiritual epiphany I've had during the last year or so. (And by the way, your comments have been stunning and tear-inducing and WOW. If you haven't read them, go do it.) I told you about my decision to not let other people's uninformed and unsolicited opinions about my life hold me back from trying to figure out what God wants from me, and how God wants me to live.

It isn't that I think my shortcomings and sins are okay. I don't. It's that I began to question my motivation for fixing them. Was I truly trying to eliminate them because of my faith, or was I trying to cover them up because I wanted other people to think I had faith? The distinction is important.

I've felt good about my decision to pursue an authentic relationship with God. I feel like I'm finally headed in the right direction. I've begun attending a church that gives me great food for thought and I've made Christian friends over the last few years whose lives I admire, who admit their mistakes, and who don't come across as judgmental. And I've really been feeling like God has been letting me know I'm on the right track. There have been several amazing coincidences... meeting Angie was one of them.

I found Angie's blog a few months ago, after she won Divine Caroline's Love This Site Awards in the parenting division. I had never heard of her, but I quickly realized after reading some of her blog that she lived nearby. A few weeks later, she walked in the door at Starbucks while I was there writing. I recognized her instantly.

Before I left, I introduced myself to her, since my blog had been chosen as the other parenting winner on Divine Caroline, and it was so unlikely that we not only lived in the same city, but also were at the same Starbucks. But I didn't expect her to like me very much. She's the wife of a Christian singer and has a very, very Christ-centered blog. I... don't.

Although her blog is totally different from mine, I continued reading it after we met. I was completely drawn in. No matter what your faith, it's undeniable that Angie is an amazing writer and an amazing person. Not only did she make a radical decision when faced with tragedy, she opted to share it with the world, opening herself to some harsh criticism in the process. I admire her so much for not being afraid to simply be who she is.

I thought she'd be perfect for an upcoming Backtalk episode, and invited her over to do an interview. I promised it wouldn't take longer than 15 minutes. Angie ended up staying for more than two hours. We could not stop talking. She was smart and thoughtful and outgoing and interesting. And I am sure that anyone would say the same upon meeting her, regardless of his or her beliefs.

A few days later, Angie wrote on her blog about meeting me. I have to admit, I cringed when I saw it. Many of Angie's readers seemed exactly like the cute and sunny "sorority" of Christian women whose judgment I feared. To their credit, the vast majority of them were excited we had met, and were more than kind. Some of them even said they already read my blog.

But there were a few who weren't at all happy that Angie had linked to me. They were bothered by the profanity on my blog. One mentioned my "immodest picture." And there was more:
"Whatever happened to not condoning things like that? I'm not trying to be ugly at all, but I just thought someone kinda needed to speak out in respect of the Lord and what it means to be Christ-like. I don't really think looking and talking like that is it."
I tried not to let that bother me, but it did. But this comment bothered me even more:
"Because it's been mentioned, I also want to comment on ST's use of profanity. I do really enjoy her blog, but I haven't added her to my blogroll because of her "word choices". Not that she'd care, she has enough readers w/o my recommendation. I just tried to ignore the profanity until she wrote that she was a "Christian". I've never looked at her blog the same way since. This is not to pick on Lindsay, I think she's really sweet and talented. But I do think we have a responsibility as Christian bloggers. We need to represent Christ."
Don't think the word Christian put in italics was lost on me.

Ouch.

Part of what disturbed me about these comments was that these women were right; Sometimes, I'm hardly a "model of Christ." As I said in the last post, I have written things in the past that I'm not very proud of today. I don't think they were horrible, but I do think I'm at least a little bit wiser now and I might have made different choices.

But that second commenter I mentioned wasn't done. Today, she read my Monday post on religion and left another comment here, saying that she actually cried when she read the post I wrote a few months ago, revealing I was a Christian.

Cried. And they weren't tears of joy, either.

Now, right away, I don't want anyone reading this post to attack these commenters for their words. I really mean that. I will delete comments that are mean spirited (although judging from the way you've all been so far, I sort of doubt that will happen).

But I had to include them in this post because I don't think these women realize that their words are exactly the kind of thing that hold people like me back from even attempting to follow God or attend church. I read these kinds of comments on Angie's post and I immediately felt bad for being her friend. I didn't want people to think badly of her for "associating" with me. I wondered if she would read those comments and decide it would be best to keep her distance. I wouldn't have blamed her. And it made me feel so very lonely.

At the same time, I have taken a couple of weeks to think about it and I still think I'm doing the right thing by being honest with you. It would be inauthentic of me to act like I'm not struggling with what's right and wrong right now. It also would be inauthentic for me to start spouting scripture and writing long prayers on my blog (although I know me some scripture, y'all. Thanks to a lifetime of Sunday school, youth group, and Bible classes, I know me some scripture.).

My question to these women who judged me is, first of all, who are you to say that Angie can't be a positive influence on me? One that perhaps I could really use right now?

Secondly, isn't there a pretty good possibility that someone who would never read Angie's blog might just read mine, see themselves in what I'm going through, go to church for the first time in years, and have a positive, life changing experience?

If you believe that God has a plan for each of us (and I know that these particular commenters do), how could you possibly know what He has in store for me? Or the mysterious ways He could use my life, complete with all its imperfections, to convince others that maybe they could give this God thing a try, too? Couldn't the fact that I truly am interested in learning about others' beliefs (or non-belief) and not interested in arguing about it make dialogue possible here that wouldn't be possible on a more "model of Christ"-like blog?

That said, why on earth would you say things to hold me, or anyone else, back? The Bible is filled with people who made mistakes, BIG mistakes, even after they became believers. Their stories inspire us and give us hope. How would my pretending to be a model of Christ every single day on this blog do anyone any good? They'd see right through it.

Still, it's disappointing that I made someone cry by calling myself a Christian.

Because looking back, I like to think God raised His fist in the air when I did that and was all, "Yeah! Finally! It's out there! Now let's see what I can do here!"

I'm a work in progress.

And that's all I have to say about that.

For now, anyway.

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Anonymous said...

We all struggle with our own faith at different times in our lives. It is very sad for me that someone would judge me (or you) for not being perfect. None of us are perfect.

MandieGirl said...

Love this. Thanks for writing this out...I know it's not always easy to be transparent and vulnerable, but it's such a treasure to others. I appreciate it and you. :)

Amy @ Milk Breath and Margaritas said...

I'm sad to say that I think there is always this crowd; they think they've figured it out and feel so strangely free to judge others. Why they don't realize that they keep people away (and God would NOT like that y'all) in being this way is beyond me.

They should read and comment every day here, trying to have a positive influence on you, if they are so convinced you need it.

Kristen said...

Just wanted to pass along the lyrics of a great musical artist from Minnesota - his name is Jason Gray and wrote an album that was largely out of suffering, pain, and imperfection. I thought of this song as I was reading your post. It's called "Weak."
"I was aftraid to be weak, afraid to be me. I was afraid because I didn't want them to see what's broken in me. But I guess I was wrong. I shouldn've know all along. When I'm weak, You are strong in me. You make up what I lack, You shine through the cracks where I was shattered..."

Good stuff. God works through our weakness. And we are ALL weak.

God bless.

Colleen said...

A wonderful post. I think you have written the perfect response to the commenters.

A friend of mine and her husband started a couples bible group. (I only point this out kind of as a way to give some credibility I guess.)In a recent conversation with her she brought something up that sticks with me. She said that "as true Christians it is not for us to judge others. In the end it is only God's judgment that matters."

I guess I'm just trying to say I agree with you on so many points. I would truly like to see the answers to your questions.

Lindy said...

What an amazing post. It strikes home completely. When my husband and I met I was Catholic (still am) and his family is Jehovah Witness (yeah, I know.) He was not JW but can you imagine the shagrin I got and still get.

He has recently converted to Catholicism and boy did I pay for that from his side.

None of my posts are strickly religion based but many include references. His family reads my blog and I shy away from frontal combat.

I wish I could follow you in your courage, who knows maybe you are what I needed! Kudos.

Anonymous said...

I want to say that I think it's great what you're saying and being so honest. I have found the more often than not that other Christians can be the most judgemental, and people of other faiths and walks of life the most accepting. Weird isn't it? When it comes down to it, we are all (I believe) going to be judged by God, and it isn't our job as Christians to take his job away from Him.

Watts Family said...

Well done girl!! We are all works in progress...that is for sure. I read Angie's blog all the time and it she inspires me to be a better Christian. God wants us to reach out to those that are struggling or unsure...and again...our job as Christians is not to judge but to lead others to Him. In my opinion you are doing what the Lord wants us to do, strive to be more like Him. Don't get discouraged...I'm proud of you and look forward to following your journey.

Many Blessings,

Amanda

Kristi said...

I actually linked to your blog from Angie's and laughed out loud at your header/logo. I am a Christian too and I've been going through the same struggle...I have spent a lot of years depressed and trying to be what I thought a Christian woman should be. Turns out, God just wants me to be me! He loves me EXACTLY the way He made me. Ditto for you, sister. Great post.

April said...

O. M. G. Why would anyone cry to know that someone has a relationship with God, or is a Christian?

I am speechless

Michelle said...

Everything that you are saying is exactly what I am feeling in my walk with God right now. I don't feel authentic and sometimes I fear really expoloring the relationship for fear of judgement. You have accepted your judgements in such a graceful and I'm not sure I could have. Thank you so much for sharing your true, honest feelings. It has touched me in a special way. I'm not the only one... Thank you!

Busy Mom said...

I am very confused by people who act as if Christianity is some sort of club with a membership vote.

Seriously do not get it.

onesockmissing said...

You are wonderful and amazing and please do not let the judgements of others get you down.
I seriously believe that God does not give a rat's hiney what cuss words you happen to use sometimes as long as your heart is kind and forgiving.
I have absolutely no doubt that yours is.

hotpants4979 said...

I strongly agree with the first comment. I also strongly agree with your post. None of us are perfect. It's as simple as that. And a Christian shouldn't look down at another Christian because they aren't quite Christian-enough for them.

Becca said...

"I like to think God raised His fist in the air when I did that and was all, 'Yeah! Finally! It's out there! Now let's see what I can do here!'"

I like that you think this - a lot of times I struggle with whether I should even tell people I'm a Christian because I mess up so much, but I think this is the right way to look at it.

Becca Pippin (is it weird that I read a "mommyblog?")

Jessica Latshaw said...

First of all, your picture is NOT immodest. Like, at all. Also, your tagline makes me laugh so much.

Recently I received a message from somebody who had known me years ago and found me again through my myspace music page. Literally, she looked at my pics and listened to some music I have written and then proceeded to write how I have "obviously really changed," that she hoped I would "return to the Lord, and separate from the world rather than falling more INTO it."

Again, she got this from my myspace--not even my blog, where you do glimpse more into who I actually am.

It kind of shocked me. I wrote her a long message, basically saying that she doesn't know me at all and I would have loved it if she had saved her conclusions for after she had actually started some sort of dialogue with me.

I am sorry those comments hurt your feelings. I am so glad you are being honest; there are many people who find hope, inspiration, and humor from your writing. I think God is totally proud of you.

alice said...

Wow - thank you, Lindsay. This *really* helps me to understand some of the apprehension that you talked about earlier. It's defiitely weird to read about as a non-christian, since my experiences are so different (a small web video I watched recently had a subtle reference to paganism/wicca, and I was totally excited to see that in a non-explicitly pagan space. Ditto for seeing the other pagans in some of your comments. The intricacies that go along with having so MANY co-believers are just totally foreign to me.)

I'm trying to understand where the commenters might have been coming from, and it just doesn't make sense to me. Is it a desire to make sure Christianity is always seen as totally separate from swearing, doubt, salaciousness or anything else of that ilk? Many, many Christians whom I know have lives that include all of that and more, and I think you're right in saying that they can feel very unwelcome in more Officially Christian spaces.

I can definitely understand working to focus one's own life on things outside of that sphere, but trying to say that no Christian can have those things in his or her life is a big escalation. And, it refuses to acknowledge the reality of many, many Christians. No quote marks needed.

The Mother said...

Great guilt trip. Is this woman sure she's not Jewish? But I digress.

From the outside, I can tell you that Christians do, indeed, appear to be very judgemental. It isn't very attractive.

I actually had a nice, Catholic woman tell me one time that, if she didn't know I was not religious, she would never have guessed, because I was a nice person.

HUH? Do Christians have a monopoly on nice? If so, where are some of them hiding it?

Go forth and be yourself. Damn the consequences. And the other folks who try to make your life miserable for it.

Katamaran said...

I'm nervous to comment, but I feel like I should and if I'm wrong delete me :0) I discovered your blog through Angies and I love both. You have a good head on your shoulders and you're brave for being so open, we're human, things like those comments hurt, even if they're untrue or unwarented. Judgment itself is very unchrist like, yet as humans we all find ourselves doing it. I admire that you not only accept these comments but defend them, and you're right to. There will always be those who we see as "better" than ourselves or "worse", and that's again our nature to compare even if we're not conscious of it. Unfortunately it's comments like those that turn many away from God. A relationship with him is very personal, it's one on one and only he and you can decide what is and isn't proper for you, no one else. I have witnessed, as someones relationship with God strengthen the person becomes a stronger pillar of a Christian model. That person may or may not be aware of the changes they have made, that's the beauty of God, he has the power to change and accept and love unconditionally so few of us have.
Besides you're not listed as a Christian blogger are you?

I love your blog and honestly I don't think of you or Angie as "christian writers" or "non christian writers" I think of you both as inspirational, admirable, encouraging...and THAT'S what matters here.

succubusangel said...

To the people who are judging and claiming you're not Christian enough, I only have this to say, taken straight out of the bible:

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".

I've found that the Christians I come in physical contact with (and only those I come in physical contact with, I will not presume to make observations about the masses, since I do not KNOW the masses), are some of the single most judgmental people I have ever met. There is no concept of "love thy neighbor" , or of the quote listed above. It's all "Oh, that person is immoral because they did this, that or the other thing. S/He must not be a real Christian." Then there's the ones who claim I am going to Hell because of my religious choice (pagan, to refresh the memory)...Oh, how I love them.

The point of religion is to find your God in your OWN way. Live your life to be a good person. God (Or Goddess, or whatever) does not care about a swear here and there. I think S/He is far more concerned with those things like murder, war and other violence than S/He is about you slipping up and saying "Ass". Treat yourself and those around you with love and respect (unless they blatantly don't deserve it, in which case ignore them). Go to church if you want. Pray. Tithe if you feel the need.

No one, not one soul on this planet, has the right to tell you that you are not a good Christian. Unless you're out running people over with your car, of course. But you're not.

Jennifer said...

What a great response. This type of judgement has been the reason my husband of 5 years and I have yet to find a church home. We were both raised in Protestant Christian homes, and both attended Christian colleges. Our faith is strong but we have both encountered such judgement and hypocrisy within Christian circles it's been much easier to abandon the search. Recently, we've been attending a church that seems to address the issue of self-righteous judgement head on, and has been warm and welcoming. I'm hoping we may have found our home.

Thank you for addressing this so honestly. I hope some of the women who originally commented about you will see this post--and that it makes an impact.

Suburban Turmoil said...

I think it's important to stress here again that the majority of Angie's commenters were supportive or at the very least, said nothing about my blog.

I also don't find the Christians at my church to be judgmental or exclusive. Or at my last church for that matter.

Unfortunately, remarks made by a few CAN have the power to make a person want to give up on religion altogether. I don't think some Christians realize that. I think they believe they're doing us all a service by telling us what we're doing wrong.

I have Christian friends who write Christian blogs, and honestly, they get far more "trolls" and critical e-mails from other religious people than I've ever gotten. And that's just sad.

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succubusangel said...

Exactly. I don't see the point in bashing another person's religion. If you feel you are close to God, or getting there anyway, and you live your life to be a good person, then who cares? A person's religion is a very personal experience and no one, no one has the right to judge it. How you develop your relationship with God is your business and not that of anyone else.

I still don't think God cares about a swear though Lol.

Reluctant Housewife said...

Now I'm confused. Are we talking about someone crying because you're a christian and you said "ass"?

Because wow. Is that really so bad? Ass? You're not profane. You're just not. I don't understand why they're upset. I don't get it. Nope.

Katie said...

When we look at the people Christ chose to surround himself with, we see flawed and broken people. Realizing that we are flawed and desiring to be broken are what it takes to be a Christian (literally, a Christ-follower). I truly pray that God meets you where you're at in your search for Him. He longs to be with you...

Tina said...

Outstanding! and thats coming from a Christ following, Stumbling wife,mother and friend.. I love the fire that you have inside you! I was told once by someone at church not to give up my fire but use it in a way that God would be glorified... Lets just say Im still working on it..:) Im excited to see whats in your future...

Suburban Turmoil said...

Yeah, I've been very tempted to note that the word "ass" is used quite a bit in the Bible, but I haven't. Until now.

Of course, I've also been tempted to make a new photo header of me wiping down a donkey. Decisions, decisions.

Angela said...

I applaud your honesty. I applaud your beliefs. Hell, I applaud everything about you. Thanks for writing this.

Melissa said...

If we were all perfect, Christ and Christianity would have never existed. It's not to say that we shouldn't watch what we do and what we say, but we are all a work in progress. Just as children do many things right and many things wrong, so are we God's children. We should strive each day to please him, but he understands our hearts. Please keep pushing toward your relationship with God. In him, you will find true glory and peace. God will judge us the way we have judged others. Our Chrit-o-meter can only be held up to the standard of Christ himself. Keep writing about faith. We all can benefit from your openess!

JayBee said...

I've really appreciated your couple of posts on this topic the last couple of days. You writing feels so authentic and honest.

I just have to say that I relate to you and where you are on your faith journey -- more so than I do with others. Each person has their own faith and is on a different path, so it's cool to being able to relate to someone who feels like their in a similar position. I think you're brave for exposing yourself -- and I hope/pray that it helps strengthen your faith!

WMW said...

I have little to add but wanted to say thank you for your posts on this. I appreciate your honesty, because I know it takes downright bravery sometimes. Frankly, I aspire to become so honest more of the time. And those who don't like it can suckit. ;)

Wendy in Oregon
a new reader delurking

whatanamateur said...

Lindsay, I too found your blog through Angie's. Your post broke my heart a little and I had way more to say than I could have put here, so I wrote a blog about it.

http://whatanamateur.wordpress.com

I can't say enough how much the world needs your authenticity.

ShannonOnTheRecord said...

It’s because of posts like these that I love reading your blog.

Y said...

You KNOW how I feel about this. But, I do want to say. I wonder who Jesus is more displeased with. The person who believes in Christ, lives a good life that is pleasing to Him who occasionally says "Shit" or the Perfect Christian who caused another to stumble with their judgmental, holier than thou attitude?

SUEB0B said...

Dear Abby used to say that church is a hospital for sinners, not a museum for saints. Amen.

I find it so ironic that the figure that wrote much of the New Testament, Paul, was one of the worst sinners imaginable and showed us what redemption was all about, yet many people don't hold out that possibility for sinners (everyone) anymore.

A Lawyer Mom's Musings said...

Judging people has everything to do with insecurity and nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity.

Exhorting is one thing. Judging is quite another.

elizabeth said...

i started reading your blog about 2 years ago and i love it. i love that you live in nashville (i am from murfreesboro but live in new york now)and that i'm familiar with the places you're writing about. i love your sense of humor. i used to read you in (on?) the nashville scene and have read every single thing you've ever written on parents.com and your new ventures too. and have never, ever thought that you were "less than." when you started talking about church and being a christian i was excited! and when you mentioned crosspoint i was even MORE excited! my best friend and her husband attend crosspoint and when i come home i visit with them. i've met pete and think he's incredible and if i lived anywhere near that's where i would go to church.

i think what you're doing is great. i think that your honesty and transparency AND AUTHENTICITY will be honored by the only One who matters.

everyone has to find his or her own way, and i have enjoyed watching you find yours. i think what God is doing with you is beautiful and so grateful that i can be a witness from afar.

and, by the way, i read angie's blog too (and have since the beginning of the audrey caroline story). so what does it say about me that i love both of your blogs?!

ShannonOnTheRecord said...

Although I don’t believe in organized religion and don’t claim Christianity, Christ had/has some amazing lessons most of us could benefit from. Along with some other past spiritual teachers.

I’ve lived in MidTN for almost 4 years now, and haven’t gone to any sort “house of worship” in a far greater time. If your church is as open and honest as you are, I’d love to learn more about it.

Y said...

Also, I wanted to say that people really need to think about the power of their words when putting down others for not being a "good christian" It's taken me my entire adult life to get over it. I hope you don't mind if I post the link, Lindsay. I'm an ASS like that.

http://www.joyunexpected.com/archives/2008/08/ive_written_bef.php

Diane said...

On the journey to modeling Christ, we all start at different points on the map - and God has us taking different routes to the same destination. We each proceed at our own pace, do our own backtracking when necessary and sometimes get lost in the woods.

What we forget is that our particular map won't work for someone else, and vice versa. The only person whose progress I'm qualified to judge is...myself.

Your honesty and transparency is incredible - it's evident that God is truly working in you and drawing you to Himself. It breaks my heart that it's other Christians that are getting in the way of that.

KKMommy said...

Great post. I cuss, I say choice words, but that doesn't mean I don't believe in god and ask his forgiveness for my slipups.

Diane said...

Wow, Lawyer Mom - you nailed it.

Nic said...

No one should be diminishing others in the name of Christ. This behavior of other Christians has been the biggest discouraging factor in identifying myself as a Christian. NO one is perfect, this we know. We're each supposed to strive to be better, to be stronger, to be better Christians. To measure our imperfections against someone else's... well that just doesn't make sense.

gitz said...

I don't know about you, but the few who say the unkind things always seem to be louder in my head than the ones who open their arms with support. I'm sorry that judgment fell on you.

I'm a Christian, and just so you know, I screw up ALL the time. I once swore into the microphone at church in front of the whole congregation by accident. Yep. I'm smooth.

I think judging is an easy trap for people to fall into when it's hidden behind righteousness. I shudder to think how many times I've probably judged something or someone and not even realized it. We all hopefully grow and learn from mistakes. But hear this: as much as people cry tears because of their own issues, God is smiling through tears of joy that you see Him.

And I think He laughed when I swore in the microphone. Because everyone else sure did.

Kingdom Mama said...

OK, one more try. I thought it was clear that I was so upset because I didn't feel you were even trying to represent Christ through your life (which is what I believe Christianity is all about), NOT because you're not perfect. I HATE it when bloggers pretend they are perfect. And I really like your header, btw.

I had been reading your blog, laughing out loud and crying from laughter for almost two years before I read ANY mention of Christianity. That's why I cried. But I think I'm understanding a litle bit more of your reasons from this post.

I'm truly sorry you have been so hurt by the church. Really, we all have been, and it's sad. Christians are not perfect, but that's no excuse not to try. Which I guess was really my whole point.

I had no intention of adding insult to injury, AND I definitely took up for you as much as I criticized. BUT, while *I* might not feel like I committed any great offense, it obviously caused you pain. For that I am very very sorry. I truly ask your forgiveness.

WashWords said...

wow, so thought provoking as always. I think about this a lot too - authenticity - in faith but other issues too. am i doing it for REAL, soul-deep purpose or appearance. as you say, verrry different.

It is "okay" for people to choose to read you or not read you for whatever reason they choose, even okay to say "i don't like swearing; it doesn't fit with *MY* definition of christianity/good writing/bubble gum" but.. likewise, it's okay for you to know that you and the G-d you believe in are okay if you do.

I'm neither Christian, nor free from judgementalism BY FAR but.... it sure doesn't seem in the spirit of the faith to be cruel, to cause tears (knowingly or unknowingly) or to presume there is only one path to righteousness.

My personal G-d/spirit/inner voice loves swearing, laughing, and damn good writing. You have all of those. mwah.

Kathy N. said...

To answer your last question, yes. I'm a committed agnostic/atheist (depending on the day) and I would never read the Christian blogs you talk about. But I love your blog. So, you are reaching a heathen like me with a Godly message, and I hope the less profanity inclined Christian bloggers can appreciate the reach of your words.

ShainaPearcePhotography.com said...

I love reading your blog - *hugs*

ashley said...

ashley here.. long time reader first time commenter. i don't comment because i'm not all witty and cool like you and i'm a woman of few words. but i think this comment might make you feel a little better.

back to when you said, "..isn't there a pretty good possibility that someone who would never read Angie's blog might just read mine, see themselves in what I'm going through, go to church for the first time in years, and have a positive, life changing experience?"

i don't remember how i found your site but i did. you've written about religion before and how you found an awesome church and you linked to pastor pete at withoutwax once. i love his blog and his musings are so insightful. i just thought it was interesting because i did exactly what you just posed as a possibility. i know this is cheesy. but i do think it was God that led me to your site to see how there are people out there who aren't perfect and then He led me to withoutwax.

so.. don't think twice about that person who cried when you announced your faith. think of people like me because you bring us joy and wisdom. :D

Carrien said...

"I still think I'm doing the right thing by being honest with you. It would be inauthentic of me to act like I'm not struggling with what's right and wrong right now."

I think you are right here.

I'm also sad that that commenter believes that Jesus' reputation is so fragile that your behavior is able to damage it so badly, and would take it out on you.

On a slightly different subject...
If you haven't already found it, you might really enjoy reading Letters From Kamp Krusty. His often farcical critiques of Christian culture are balanced by a passion for getting at what Jesus is about.

Bella said...

I also read Angie's blog, and I admire her faith and her ability to LIVE OUT her faith in every moment.

We are ALL works in progress. Every single person. The fact of the matter is that when you are moving forward, people will always try to hold you back. People will always try to judge you. Most of the time, those people will be Christians who hide their judgement behind their faith. The only thing you can do is ignore them or pray for them, and go about your life.

The most powerful thing to know about God is that He created you, just as you are. Every flaw, every sin, all of it. He knows you and He loves you. And when you KNOW that, what others think doesn't matter so much anymore.

Good luck on your journey. :)

Kingdom Mama said...

I'm obviously setting myself up for a lot of criticism by commenting again, but I really think it's worth it. I just wanted to add that I had NO idea you were in a renewed walk with Christ.

So many people claim the name of Christ and then live however they want. When you mentioned Jesus out of the blue, if I remember kinda lightly, I wrongfully assumed you were one of those people.

BUT I've just read and reread this post and you clearly do not fall into that category at all. You seem to desire authenticity, possibly more than anyone else I know. I'm truly glad I stumbled upon these posts, even though I've been in tears all day from the criticism. Yeah, clearly I'm just a crier, so that should make you feel better!;)

I pray God will heal any wounds I have caused, and will greatly use your life (and blog!).

Lauren said...

i just wanted to say that i love this post and wish we could send it to the people who have been hurt, rejected, criticized or condemned by "the church" before. i am blessed that i have found a church that is open and understanding and genuine, and i appreciate so much your authenticity and honesty in building your RELATIONSHIP with God. because it all comes down to what's between you and God--not what people see or think they see.

Allie Garcia said...

I am a "Christian" and I follow your blog and Angie's. I think you are fabulous, and I also think that the authenticity of your recent posts have drawn me nearer to God. I love how candid and honest you have been, and there is no doubt that youre blog may be the first time in someones life that they realize that its okay to not have it all together. There is more Christ in that than any pretentious display of "Christian" ideals put together to "bring glory to God." You are His child, and for Him, for me, and for anyone else that really knows Him, that is enough.

Ringleader said...

I think people need to rememer that to be Christian, means that you believe in and try to follow Christ's teachings... that is all it means- and I do emphasise TRYING to follow them. and it would also behoove people to remember that among those teachings is that we are not to judge others. Also among those teachings is that we have the opportunity to move forward from our mistakes- Christ died and rose again to make this possible and he would be much more disappointed to learn that one of his "followers" cried to learn that you were Christian, than to learn that you sometimes use the word ass...

As a Mormon though(yes, we are Christians)- I will admit that I do wince a little whenever someone of my faith behaves badly, or more likely, acts like a wing-nut because then I'm all "great, now everyone will think that we are all like that"-

Jenny said...

I found your blog through Angie's blog, and I love them both BECAUSE they are so different, but both so honest! I am proud to call myself a christian, not a "christian," and I say "you GO girl!"

Adventures In Babywearing said...

I absolutely love this post.

Steph

sarah said...

we are all works in progress. God may not like some thing we do in our lives but I also think that we do things with the higher being helping us. I have had the last 9 months of struggle since losing my dad at age 39. He was not my biological father but that doesnt mean he was my dad. I got very sick in high school he took care of me.
I also cant bring myself into church. I cant do conformed religion. I believe in god, i believe in jesus. I cant sit in a church with people who say they are christian but then judge you for not going every week,judge us for how we are dealing with our greif. I think god can hear us from however you are. I think our god is kind and compassionate one where we know we have done wrong and we are forgiven. I dont think we would have the words we do if they werent for us to use...
Stay true to yourself and your writing lindsay that is why i LOVE your blog...

Kate said...

Terrific post! Bravo!

Lucy said...

What an interesting thread.

I've been reading you for a long time. I mean, I remember when Bruiser was born. I guess I thought that you have mentioned your faith at times in the past, so I'm not quite sure what all the fuss is about. I have always loved your authenticity and your sense of humor. And if we lived near each other, I'd totally want to be your friend.

I was really interested to read your last post about this. In fact, I was just reading another blogger who posted about this same subject, although from a different point of view. You might enjoy it: http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/imonk-101-why-do-they-hate-us

I'm a Christian. And I learn way more from my failures than I do when I do things right. I also really enjoy the variety of readers that you bring to this site. I think your honesty (and that of your readers) is so refreshing.

And Kingdom Mama, thank you for your follow-up comments. I spend lots of time apologizing, so I admire your bravery in posting publicly.

Martina said...

I've read a blog by a pastor's wife, and an essay in the Washington Post by a former female evangelical minister. Both were taken to task, the wife for not being the proper stepford pastor's wife, the minister for supposedly forsaking the wifely and motherly duties that a proper Christian woman would embrace.

In both cases it was the female congregants who stood in judgment.

It certainly seems to be a very un-Christian act to be judgemental.
I know it's hard not to take it personally, but you have to realize that these people are insecure, and they are trying to make themselves feel better at your expense.

If I ever decide to pursue a relationship with god, it'll be just between me and Him.

I'm glad you church experience has been positive.

Kylie said...

I found you through Angie's blog. I am also a "bible believing Christian" trying to follow what Christ has planned for my day to day life. (My blog also has bible verses on it and I'm married to a minister to top it all off!! HA:)) I am truly sorry that others have made such harsh criticisms and judgments towards you. Personally, I do not feel there is ANY place for that. What I find so inspiring about you is that you are, in your words, "pursuing an authentic relationship with God." Nothing pleases Him more in my humble opinion. Your strength is equally inspiring to me-- that you can tune these critics out and continue to pursue God for Who HE is, not who they are. I loved you saying, "Yeah! Finally! It's out there! Now let's see what I can do here!" That made me smile. I think you're great and I have added you to my blog roll! :) So all that said to say, keep your chin up and keep doing what you're doing- because you're on to something GREAT. Thank you for your transparency and honestly. I'll keep tuning back in... :)

christinaeba said...

It kills me to hear that the least accepting of people are the Christians. They somehow forget that EVERYONE'S WELCOME and NOBODY'S PERFECT! And if nothing else, they should know how messed up people can be (not to say that you are), people need to come down from the pedestal and take a good look at themselves to realize they're no better than anyone else. I think you're amusing, and truthful, and as long as you're not worshiping SATAN, I don't see what the big deal is

Tonya Ingram said...

Lindsey... oh my goodness.... you said everything I thought when I first read your blog... I linked to your blog through Angie and when I first saw it, honestly... my 1st thought was "why would Angie ask her faithful readers to link to something that said "ass" in the title block?" But you know, as much as I think I'm a Christian, how can I judge you... how can I sit here and judge you for something you say... not knowing what God is doing in your life... and MY life... in my life to humble me and change my heart about this sort of thing. And my 2nd thought was... how do I NOT know Angie will be an inspiration to Lindsey... I absolutely love your blog and love how you are so transparent... so very transparent to us all... may we all be like Christ and love everyone. I will still be your follower, not matter where you take us.

melanie said...

all i can say is, i wish i lived in nashville so i could be friends with you guys too (can you tell i'm from the north?!). the stay at home life can be so hard with so many thoughts and struggles and few to process them with. thanks for your openness and honesty. it is great to hear about another's struggles to understand "right" and "true" and "holy."

Skunkfeathers said...

Human perfection is a myth. The sooner people can embrace that fact and be themselves, seeking improvement in those aspects of their lives they want and can achieve with whatever guidance -- spiritual, if you will -- they're open to, the better off we'll all be.

Lindsay, for a 'work in progress', you do pretty well. I'm not inclined to think much of those who'd use a few of your so-called "flaws" to brand you a less-than authentic "Christian"; by that standard, I am a waaaaaay-less authentic Christian than you'd ever seek to achieve. But as I said in a prior comment on a related post, the God I believe in is more forebearing and forgiving than the God some profess to follow. I reckon all that matters is how He judges me in the end.

Meantime, to each their own. When Judgement time comes, we'll all answer up with no distinctions beyond that of how we lived our lives by the best standards we could.

Don't let a few of "them words" slipping out diminish the true gold than resides in your soul. There, you're golden, Lindsay.

And those who know you better than I ever will know that to be 100% true. 'Nuff said.

Jaycee said...

I've grown up in and attended church all my life. I've seen a lot of ugly stuff happen among Christian people, but I've never really let it discourage me. However, lately, I've met and become dear friends with several people who have been hurt, discouraged, and put-off by church and Christians. This has made me super-sensitive to the judgment and hypocrisy that we as Christians often offer not only to non-Christians, but to one another. The modern church resembles the Pharisees of old in that way much more than it resembles Christ. How sad. If only we could learn to put love first.

One of the reasons I love to read your blog is because you are so open and honest and REAL. I don't think any less of you at all for seeing the word "ass" in your blog. As a matter of fact, I think more of you because you're not trying to be someone you're not. Don't change for anyone. Let Christ change you from within into who HE intends you to be!

WhiteStone said...

What an honest post! It's extremely difficult for some new believers to approach a church of "perfect people". But the truth is, none of us will ever be perfect. Thank God, He provided Christ's perfect righteousness FOR us. As believers we are called to follow Jesus in all things but we each struggle with our own sin. I'm still struggling.

Justme said...

Congrats to you. I understand both points of view. As for your previous posts and not necessarily being ones to be proud of. But that's called growth. I too struggle with what it means to be Christan. As humans, we judge. Period. But good for you for keeping an open mind, including regarding comments, and looking at making your life the best it can be for you and yours.

Anonymous said...

I'll say it again...if you appeared to be a perfect model Christian it would be a lie. We should try to be Christ-like but we are all imperfect. If you appeared perfect, I would be too intimidated to ever comment on your blogs, much less regularly read your blog. Who wants to read about the perfect Christian all the time? I want something real...I want to know someone is like me, with the same eccentricities and flaws. Cursing will not get you your own personal room in Hell. And it's certainly not like your cursing just for the sake of doing it.

Heidi said...

Wow. Possibly the best piece on religion I have ever read.

mothergoosemouse said...

A work in progress, indeed. We all are. Even those of us godless heathens.

Thank YOU for not judging me and for being my friend anyway.

Suburban Turmoil said...

Kingdom Mama, I appreciate your apology. I guess it's hard for me to understand why you'd feel the need to say anything negative at all in a public forum about another person's beliefs. Ever. Because you just can't know what's really going on with them, right? Beliefs are so personal. Anyway, it's water under the bridge.

I'm learning a lot from reading these comments. Every time I think I'm totally alone in what I'm thinking about or going through and I write about it, I find out I couldn't have been more wrong. :)

Suburban Turmoil said...

And mothergoosemouse, your kids can play with my kids any time. :)

Jenn @ Juggling Life said...

I don't know if this is going to be deletable or not, but those comments reinforce all the negative connotations that people have about people that call themselves Christians.

emily the mom said...

These have been awesome posts Lindsay, i struggle all the time with what I believe vs. what I write - and should I write about it. So I have found these past few posts very inspiring.

I also want to thank you for introducing me to Angie's blog which is so beautiful. She always seems to be writing just what I need to hear...

flybunny said...

I have read these last 2 posts with great interest because I am struggling with some of the exact same issues.

But for me, I haven't been drawn to the church or christianity(whatever that may be). I am not even sure what my beliefs are at this point. I won't go into much more but I do appreciate your honesty. I wish I could be more transparent with my feelings and struggles but I have too many other things going on in my life (no job, umemployment running out soon etc etc) to have to defend myself to those who cannot accept my own journey.

Jakesmommie said...

I just wanted to say that I found you after reading Angie's blog. I am a believer and struggle every day with many things. I dont know why people think that believers cant associate with people that say things or do things differently. Isn't that what Jesus did. I believe that it is part of my witness to be that way. So I am hanging out here no matter what you say! HA and HUGS!

Thirsty Girl said...

There seems to be a need by some Christians to categorize a person--are they "real" Christians, "backslidden," "walking with the Lord," "not walking with the Lord" etc? It makes Christianity seem more like a club where your membership depends on being sized up by others rather than your real relationship with Christ. I find it mind-numbing.

I became a Christian at 9, I love Jesus, and I totally have a terrible potty mouth on my blog. I just love a well placed cuss word to emphasize my feelings. God knows this about me and seems to be pretty fond of me anyway.

Phil Bennett said...

Bravo, bravo!! Keep doing what you are doing. Christ didn't judge, so if they want to be "Christ-like", we shouldn't judge.

We are all on different paths with different journeys.

Keep the faith,

Phil

Anyabeth said...

GAH. Honestly. That attitude infuriates me.

At my sister's wedding many of her church friends came up to my husband and I and said "Oh you are the Jews, we have been PRAYING for you for YEARS."

And I cried. At my sister's wedding these people were finding my beliefs wanting. And trying to shame me.

Since Christ himself was a Jew, somehow I doubt he would advoate the shunning of Jews.

pb&j in a bowl said...

Seriously, Lindsay- you outdid yourself on this post. I love it.

I've always seen you as a truly authentic person. You call it like you see it and that's one of your many great qualities.

Now- I have to go write a fabulous post to be worthy of the link!

e.bane said...

I read both your blogs on a daily basis. Obviously the writing style and content are different, but both blogs allow me to laugh, to cry, to praise God; whatever I find in that day's post. As a Christian, I hope that I always show God's love and grace to others, that to me is true Christianity and goodwill. I'm FAR from perfect. It makes me so sad that there are still people out there that will criticize others in their walk with their God. To me being a person of faith means more than just acting "Godly" it means actually being that messenger in what you do, say, mean, and think.

Gina said...

I actually found you thru that very post on Angie's blog! I LOVE YOU. You are awesome! All the more for your transparency in your posts. I also Love Angie's blog. But to be completely honest, her devotion does kinda.... ummmm.... intimidate me. It certainly inspires me, but I am soooo much closer to being a "Lindsey" than an "Angie". But in reality all I can strive to do is be the best "Gina" I possibly can... in God's eyes.

Amber Hill said...

I haven't commented, but I've been reading ever since Angie linked to you.

I appreciate your authenticity. My dad is a pastor and SO often church members say things about other church members just like commenters said about you. The thing is -- it's not OUR job to convict someone of right/ wrong. A Christian's job is to love them, show them who God is, and let the Holy Spirit do His job of convicting someone of sin. I HATE it when people try to take the place of the Holy Spirit.

We're all works in progress and God isn't through with us until He comes back. So, you keep toughin' it out with God and just let the comments roll off your back and remember that God isn't finished with them yet either. :)

God is perfect. Unfortunately, His followers aren't.

e.bane said...

I think I was too cryptic in my last comment, I was trying to be nice to those commenters. Really trying hard to be nice. I've always thought your blog rocks and, I think that header photo kicks ass. Isn't this one of those "Can't we all just get along" moments?!

Dee said...

I am confused as to why someone would think that God has given anyone the go ahead and pass judgment on someone else.

I have been a Christian for 40 years. I don't use profanity, I don't drink and I dress modestly. I go to church and am pretty familiar with the Word. But I do overeat. I like a good gossip story as much as the next person. I can have a critical spirit and I can be ugly to my husband sometime.

I admit to that only to say that what God sees in both of us is the blood of Jesus that covers all our sins. When the Holy Spirit gets a hold of YOU and starts convicting you and working on your potty mouth, you better set up and take notice. Just like when he pokes me in the rib and tells me to cut my husband some slack and treat him as Scripture instructs, I had better get my act together.

Sin is sin. No ifs, ands or buts about it. We are all held accountable to God and to God only for our actions.

I am glad that you have not let the "religious" keep you from pursuing your relationship with the Holy God. He can't and won't tolerate sin make no mistake about that. But it is His hearts desire that ALL would come to Him....isn't that why he sent Jesus to die on the cross for us?

Perhaps this whole experience will not only encourage you, but help those that felt free to criticize to grow in their walk as well.

Now, I think I will go be nice to my husband and make him a snack, not complain that he didn't take out the garbage like I asked and then go workout on the treadmill while not reading my People magazine!!

sarah cool said...

I became a Christian at age 18 through Campus Crusade for Christ - and as liberal, open minded and loving as I consider myself to be, I *still* find myself trying to fit people into the "Perfect Christian Format" subconsciously. I try to make myself fit this mold, too.

There isn't one right way to be a Christian. A Christian woman doesn't have to be Exhibit A or Exhibit B.

I love that you know this already. I'd much rather be self aware and forgiving than close minded and cruel.

God bless you this week, Lindsay.

MM said...

I'm confused. Why would a Christian ever be upset over finding another fellow Christian? So your words are good enough to be read by a Christian but yet not good enough to be written by a Christian? I am lost on that one...

I must say this though, I love your blog...the witty stuff about your family and yourself that harm nobody. It's good stuff. But, there have been posts that made me wince in pain at judgement passed on others. I have even posted my feelings about it at the time and was told basically to get a sense of humor and that this was a comic blog...or something along those lines. Bottomline is, making fun of or judging others is never a good thing...be it in fun or with hurtful intentions...

Even with the posts I found less savory it has never been bad enough to make me not come back. Yet.

I must ask though, are these religious blogs supposed to be comical and provoking in order to add Christians to your pissed list?

shoutingforha said...

I find it interesting that Kingdom Mama was disappointed to learn that you were a Christian after reading your blog for years. The implication is that all believers should be thumping their Bibles every time they have the opportunity.

I am a Christian, but I rarely talk about my beliefs on my blog. Why? Because my relationship with God is personal. I bring up my faith when it is applicable to the story that I am telling, but otherwise I keep it private.

While I do believe that God gives certain people a public platform to share their faith (like Angie Smith), I prefer to share my faith with people that God has placed directly in my life. It should be about relationships... our relationship with God and with others.

For the record, my seven-year-old son is always quick to point out that the word "ass" is in the Bible.

Bethany said...

Long time lurker, first time poster: Thank you for sharing this. It all makes sense now. I found you through that exact same post on Angie's blog and was surprised - I LOVE your blog. I love Angie's but for different reasons. But honestly, I'm more at "home" here. I see myself here. I'm not in the sorority, I never have been, I never will, but not for lack of trying. I am a "Lindsey", not an "Angie". Everything you have posted the past few days (and the past related posts that I have linked to) has really hit home with how I have felt about things lately regarding Christianity.
I am not AT ALL surprised that a few of Angie's readers posted those things. For the few comments you received like that, how many more felt that way but didn't comment? Probably many more. I understand they meant well but they don't stop to think how they are coming across to people like you and me.
I've lost a former good friend to that type of Christianity. The homeschooling, frugal, non-drinking type. Not that there's anything wrong with choosing those things.... but making new friends and losing your former friends b/c they aren't "Christian" enough is.
Am I not good enough as I am? God made me this way. It's the only way I know how to be.

Todd said...

Hey Lindsay,
I thought your post was brilliant. I thought you nailed it, as to how we "Christians" can be. I appreciate your honesty as you deal with life and yourfaith. I wish more "Christians" would say what they really think. I wish I could be as honest as you. You are a "work in progress,"and so am I. You tell it like it is and that is refreshing. I hope out of all this you draw closer to God.

Maybe, if you act just right and post just the right things Angie and I will have you and your hubby over for dinner!

Keep it up!!

Todd Smith "The Christian Singer"

This Heavenly Life said...

Now THAT was good reading. Your blog is always great, but this was the best in a long time.

I always hesitate to write anything spritual on my blog, because I just don't feel like I'm knowledgeable enough to say what I really mean, without getting criticism for doing it wrong. Your post was beautiful.

Only God knows our souls. And He loves it no matter what state of disrepair or indecision or traveling it is in.

Jennifer W. said...

I'm one of those "someone's" reading your blog that TOTALLY sees myself in what you are talking about and actually went to church for the FIRST TIME IN YEARS this week. I've been feeling like I miss church but more and more I'm realizing what I miss isn't the judgment, holier than thou, reading-the-Bible-literally other Christians but the worship with God. Maybe I can find a church that doesn't embody these things. Maybe I can't. But I'm tired of letting other people keep me from seeking a spiritual relationship with God because of some of their one sided, not very "Cristian-like" beliefs. Thanks for writing what you did. It's encouraging to know that all Christians are not as condescending, judgmental and mean as many (but NOT all) I've had the *pleasure* to meet in the past.
Anyway, thanks ST Mom
-Longing for Faith

Angie Smith said...

so this is what it feels like to be comment #94?!?!?!?

good to know.

hubbs just put in his 2 cents, but i can't help but comment....because i am the perfect angie smith.

aaahhh, yes. so together. so wonderful. so spiritual.

so amazing that i have lost my temper about a thousand times today and i am laying in bed in tears because i feel like such a screw-up.

and i am also perfect because i swore today (for the record, it was from a toe injury, which i believe God may give special grace for.....:))

and furthermore, my house is trashed, my doubts and insecurities are dancing all around me, and believe it or not, i usually feel like "the girl who doesn't quite fit the christian mold."

i didn't become a christian until i was 25 because i was so turned off by the christians i had come into contact with, and then God opened a door and let me meet the real Jesus, and some of His true followers. and i LOVE Him, and them.

like you, i found a church home that strives for authenticity over perfection, and after losing audrey, well, i had to either lean hard into Him or give it up.

i'm glad i chose what i did, and i (like you) just keep trying to live it out in a way that will make Him say, "Well done, good and faithful servant."

i adore you for exactly who you are, and if people on my blog criticized a woman who is searching for authentic relationship with God, they need to dig a little deeper into the Bible. because most of it is composed of people like me and you.

you have a few "bowling words" on your blog. OK.

you have a snarky sense of humor (which i love).

you aren't afraid to call 'em like you see 'em.

you love the Lord.

God put us three miles away to make a point, so often missed in this world....

we're a whole lot closer than we think:)

you preached it, girl.

so really, i should have just said amen.

A-MEN.

angie

Anonymous said...

I'm sure that you know this, but not all Christians are judgemental and I hope and pray you meet a lot of great Christian friends. I am really glad that you feel God drawing you to Him. Usually the "Christians" that are so judgemental are the people that have issues to work on and take it out on everyone else, they are not the people we should be like or be around, but they are usually the most outspoken.

DeAnna said...

WOW, WOW, WOW. I am so sorry that happened to you. Some people are just little minded people. And they make themselves feel better for thinking they are "better" than everyone else. Somedays, I would like a peek into their mind and soul and what would I find? You go missy!! I love love love Jesus, but I drink a little!!! You keep striving to be Christ like. Someday you will see Him face to face and it will all be worth it.

Trina said...

Great post and I am so glad you wrote this. You need to be who you are and not be fake. None of us have it all together, none of us are perfect. We are ALL in our own stages of growth in our faith walk and no one has a right to judge anyone.

I'm so glad that you met Angie, I'm a tad jealous though. There is something about her blog that makes God seem so real and tangible and I need that at times. I can only imagine what she is like in person. I hope you guys stay friends.

Redhead Mama said...

I appreciate your honesty in sharing on here. While it is a desire to show Christ in everything we do, it is also nice to know that others share in the struggles and aren't the "perfect little Christians" all the time.

Heather - Hopelessly Flawed said...

I think this is a great post. I'm sorry that you went through that hurt and I hope that you will find healing and emerge stronger on the other side of it.

I understand your point and I agree 100%. God has big plans for you, just as He does for all of His children. And this blog has a big following, so you have the potential to reach thousands of people who wouldn't otherwise consider Christianity. How amazing.

But very unpopularly, I am also feeling some sympathy/understanding for the other commenter as well. I think it's hard sometimes to know when and what to 'stand up' for, and this seems like a case of good intentions gone wrong.

Often in the world we see a careless attitude toward religion, where a person might call themselves a Christian yet live a decidedly UN-Christian life. I do think it is important to take a stand and say sometimes that something is not ok, not right, not Christian. It's hard to do sometimes (many times), but it is important.

I am NOT in any way saying that about you or your blog (this is the part where I confess I have only read a handful of times so I don't have the deepest perspective here I know). It's just a point about life in general.

As I said, I do not read here all the time so I don't know the history about what you've written for years and what would be shocking about you stating you are a Christian. I just understand the need to state a strongly held unpopular belief sometimes, which sounds like what the other poster was trying to do.

It sounds like she is genuinely remorseful and knows her comment was misdirected, and I think a LOT of women will learn something from your experience and your candor, which is always a wonderful thing. I think you have a great blog and a great style, and I believe that God is available to everyone who is seeking Him...no matter what you drink. ;)

homemakerchronicles said...

I found you through Angie's blog. I am a Christian...just to preface so you know where I'm coming from.
I have been one of those who has judged. So many times. So many people. Shameful.
Just this last year God has brought me out of that mentality. Recognizing that it's not about me and my opinion, it's not even about you or anyone else...it's about Him. I realize that He will do whatever it takes to turn the hearts of those that are His toward Him. So who am I to judge where someone is in their walk along this narrow road?
Just by thinking that I have it all figured out proves that I don't! I agree that we should let God be the judge and we should keep to loving people- Christian or not...the Bible says, "Love your neighbor as yourself". The 2nd greatest commandment!!
I truly hope that God uses you in so many people's lives as He grows you and draws you closer. Thanks for the post...it's very honorable of you.
And for the record- I DO repent of judging!

nicholei said...

I love your honesty and transparency. You're right, we are all works in progress.. even those ladies who left those negative comments on your page. My hope is that we can really call out this wrong thinking and that people would see the the wounds that they can cause with their words. The reality is that there is always going to be a "Christian" who thinks they are "saying the right thing" but are coming off as judgmental or critical but I always find that in times like that I ask myself, "Who am I following?" because sometimes it pushes us away from what we believe in. Although it can be hard at times, we can't use these instances as excuses to turn away from God. I am glad that you are letting the positive outweigh the negative. =)

kelly said...

Frankly, I consider you and Angie friends of mine. As totally weird as that might be. Friends stand by each other through thick and thin, there's no room for judgement there.

And I like your blog. And your header. And I like God too. I think that's allowed ;)

Keep it up. I'm a fervent supporter of yours.

Falling Around said...

This brought tears to my eyes.

I must admit to having some of the same feelings. I read your blog because I read Angie's. I was disturbed by some of the language, and became upset that you call yourself a Christian. I left your blog quickly.

Later, the Lord began to show me where I was wrong for judging you. It is not my job, or anyone else's, to be the Holy Spirit for you. And now after reading this post, I am even more ashamed for having been so judgmental. I mean, I recently left my church of nearly 10 years because of people like that... and here I am acting no better.

Though I never said or wrote anything about you or Angie for having befriended you, I am sincerely sorry for having had some of those thoughts. Please forgive me.

I admire Angie for passing up the opportunity to look down her Christian nose at you. She has responded to your friendship as ANY true Christian should - with love, acceptance, and open arms.

I am coming out of a season similar to what you mention you're currently going through. God exposed my motives for serving Him... they were not pure. I was seduced by my desire to be part of a big church doing big things for God. For many years I mistook my service for Him as holiness. I was working with my hands but not my heart.

Now I am on a journey to know Him. Not what others say about Him, but what He tells me about Himself through His Word.

I admire you for not quitting, for continuing to seek Him, and for being honest about where you are in your spiritual life right now.

Thank you for putting me and my hypocrisies in their place. I look forward to reading your blog regularly.

Amber said...

Lady,
you are beautiful the way you are- and becoming more beautiful on the inside by trying to find your Walk. I'm proud of you, and don't let anyone get you down. I believe our job as Christians is to bring those who are lost, confused, or broken, to Christ- not run away because they don't believe. What a horrible example that would be of His everlasting Love.

Keep on Walking, girl!

joybells said...

I found you through Angie's twitter, and I remember reading her account of meeting you a while back. I apologize if this comment duplicates others because I've not read the above posters.

I've made my own mistakes and would say I'm not one to expect perfection in others, but then that would probably be me trying to make myself look good. I know I have my judgmental tendencies, too, and honestly it is hard for me to see past profanity used by anyone claiming the name of Christ. I know words "slip out" and the (my!) battle of thoughts is ongoing, but especially in the written medium it seems to be such an controllable choice that simple substitution could bring that much more glory to Christ--or, at least, eliminate that much distraction from Him.

Maybe it is too legalistic, but when Christians seem disinterested in submitting their speech to higher standards, it makes me question the extent to which their heats & minds are subjected to Christ. I don't mean any personal offense, but hope you may see where I'm coming from.

I feel like I've not clarified the issue at all but felt like commenting. Hope you find some encouragement through it all somewhere!

emily said...

one thing i have been convicted about recently is really not liking people who feel the need to patrol or correct others who THEY feel are not living as a "christian" should..
since when did it become our responsibility? does masking it with God's name make it right? If you look at the phrase "WWJD" {what would Jesus do} it wouldn't add up. I wish self-proclaimed Christians would stop acting like Pharisees and reflect the God they claim.. The God of GRACE, LOVE and MERCY. The God who has told us to LOVE one another, to let HIM handle the judgment, etc..etc.. Back to why I am convicted, I am convicted because the same thing that absolutely disgusts me about that behavior is what I am in turn doing to them..It breaks my heart they can't see past the exterior, that they feel the need to let others know they are wrong, they don't see the damage they do, but at the very same time I am doing the same by not seeing the deeper pain, and insecurity that person is speaking out of.. I am not broken that they aren't experiencing the GRACE that comes freely through Christ.. They can speak it, but is it in their hearts or just their mind? It's not my business.. It's between them and God.. What I wish they would act on is what I need to act on myself.. A true walk with God is intimate and personal, He cares about your heart first, and then your actions follow.. You don't have to clean up your act to go to Him.. He takes you just as you are, and loves you..He handles the actions, overtime, he transforms the areas that may not reflect Him, but girl girl that process will still be happening when you are 90 years old.. I often feel further "behind" than I did when I first started my journey with Him.. I will NEVER be perfect, put together, or christian enough but what's so amazing about God is that when I honestly run after Him, with my entire being,my imperfections, my struggles, my weaknesses,my sins He uses.. He redeems.. A well known Christian author once said the ONLY time we do not reap what we sow is when we step back and allow God to redeem it, and then it becomes beautiful, breathtaking, and exceeds what we could have ever done for ourselves.. You aren't a second rate christian, I would be proud you link you if I had a blog, know what I have seen from Angie, I am sure she is too. You aren't a "ministry", from what I have read today, you are a minister.. Many will read and relate to this post, many I HOPE will see the responses and know that there are Christians out there that don't judge.. We as humans are the worst representatives of who God is, we mess it up big time, for those who have felt that hurt and rejection, who have felt out of the club, or that they didn't measure up.. I am so so sorry, and my prayer is that you will not allow those things to steal the joy, peace, and amazing amazing journey of walking with God.. Your authenticity is beautiful, thank you for sharing this journey with us.. It's something I don't take lightly, and its an honor to read and witness God's work in your life and THROUGH your life.. He is using you, right now, as you are.. You are reaching more than those who judged you, and that's not a judgment, that's just the truth.. Read about Jesus, His ministry, see who He hung around with, how He responded.. You reflect that much more than you even know.. Those who use God's word to reflect their own agenda don't get it, and your response today, your ability to be gracious, to not heap it back on them is a perfect example of how God intended us to respond.. You have no idea the impact you've already had.. I pray God allows you to see a glimpse of what He sees in you..
It's an honor to read your writings and it's by no mistake you and Angie have crossed paths..

With love and immense respect,

Emily

chickadee@afamiliarpath said...

we're all a work in progress! what a great post. i'm glad you're working on your relationship with God. it's something we can all improve upon.

Anonymous said...

What would jesus do? Jesus loved everyone, gave everyone a chance.

Genesis said...

You know what? I love your blog, your thoughts, your ideas and your views just they way they are. I wouldn't change a thing about it because I wouldn't change a thing about you! That's God's business...not mine.

And for what it's worth - I like your header photo...since when is a spaghetti strap tank top immodest attire? And you are rocking that ponytail!

I'm a faithful reader of your blog AND Angie's blog. Much love to you both!

mandy_moo said...

I am very "modest" in the way I dress, but I LOVE your blog header photo (very sexy! hehe) and the phrase with it just cracks me up!! You are spunky, that's just who you are!!

I find it really unfortunate that people who call themselves Christians would be so judgmental, but I've seen it time and time again. My best friend in high school was an atheist, but he would come to our weekly youth activities at church. I was a year older than him, so after I graduated HS I left the youth program, but he continued going to the meetings. I should mention that he always dressed in all black, had a hairdo like Davey Havok from AFI (and listened to lots of bands like AFI), and, well, looked a little scary. But he was well accepted in our church. However, when there was an activity at a different church building, he was told by a man that he should leave, because "you are a distraction to my daughters."

Needless to say I don't think he will be joining our church anytime soon.

Abby Johns said...

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!

I struggle with openly speaking about my faith because I don't want people to think I am one of "those" Christians and I also don't want "those" Christians to start picking me apart because it seems like once they "know" you are all of the sudden expected to be perfect. ::sigh::

I swear, I smoke, I lose my temper with my daughter, I gossip, the list could go on and on. But you know what? At the beginning of the day, while I sit out on the balcony in the cold morning air, I tell myself and in my mind 'ask' God, "Today will be a good day." Then, at the end of the night, I sit out in the cool night air, again on the balcony, and thank God for the good and the bad, and I ask Him to forgive me for my lack of patience and other indiscretions.

NO ONE IS PERFECT AND GOD DOESN'T EXPECT US TO BE! Reading this post made me want to cry, I wanted to cry because I could relate to your pain on such a deep level. It felt like I was reading something I had written. And people need to realize that because it is written on the internet instead of said in person does not make it hurt any less. Keep on doing you, we all have things to work on, that's just life.

P.S. I am SO jealous that you live so close to Angie! Her blog warms my heart and inspires me to try harder.

mrschangstein said...

Hey Lindsay,
Let me give you a very spiritual response and apologize for all the bumheads (it's our family "swear" *gasp*) who feel free to judge. Then I guess I gotta acknowledge a. the inherent judging in that statement and b. that God loves everyone - even the bumheads. Earlier in my life, I was the judger, just like 'em. Then I was the judgee. Now I'm just trying to live my life and do what I'm told...Jesus IS the boss of me!! Grace is a big word, and receiving it comes with great responsibility (grasshopper). Including extending it. Which ain't as easy as it sounds. Keep looking to God for it all and you'll be ok. Really, isn't HIS opinion the one that counts? And because I'm such a loser and can't figure out this whole posting deal and you should be able to respond if you want, my e-mail is mrschangstein@telus.net

KarenKT said...

well I wish I had time to read all 114 of the previous comments, but I gotta get to bed. Still, I wanted to say a few things. 1. I used to read your blog regularly about 2 years ago when my little one was up all hours nursing.
2. Now I'm addicted to Facebook and wish I never had to sleep. ha! So, in my regular procrastinating of the going-to-bed thing, I checked out a few 'old' blogs and saw yours (love your new pic, btw).
3. I'm SO proud of you for searching for God's purpose for your life. Your blog today will hopefully touch the hearts of those who criticized you on Angie's page.
4. I'm also one of these people who will hopefully be one of God's little miracles associated w/ today's post, b/c I am a totally inactive, backslid Christian who really needed to read something like this tonight.
5. so, thanks.

Mrs. WIlson said...

I'm so sorry that those women hurt you! It's very sad when God's "children" are the very reason that others don't follow Him. Just know, that the Father is PERFECT and sometimes His followers aren't a very good representation of Him. I know this isn't the case, but I hope that no "Christian" ever steers you away from the Lord, who loves you unconditionally.

ps. YOU LUCKY GIRL FOR MEEING ANGIE!!!

Buggaboosmommy said...

Thanks for writing this. Too many "christians" judge and are cruel. Thanks for being real and sharing where you are in your life! :) I think I'll start following your blog!!

Meg @ Soup Is Not A Finger Food said...

We are ALL a work in progress. I admire you for putting it all out there - something I've been wanting to do but haven't figured out quite... how. It's sad to me that others are questioning your "brand" of Christianity. We are all children of God and I believe he does have a plan for each of us, and good for you for being open to that.

Jesus didn't promise it would be easy.

Cynthia said...

I love your blog and clearly you are a good person and a human. I am always bothered by the use of terms like "Christ-like" and "model of Christ" which I find completely audacious and presumptive. We can only be students. The Christ I know walked among sinners and loved and accepted them. What we should aspire to is being a good-person not a God-person. We are not here to judge each other. We are here to love and care for each other. If faith divides us it is because we have learned little from Christ.

Candace Jean July 16 said...

I think this verse speaks to you well. Keep writing. I love your blog and shame on me for cringing now and then :) because you rock! Our imperfections are so much more evident when we start throwing stones.

If you are insulted because of the name of Christ, you are blessed, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you. If you suffer, it should not be as a murderer or thief or any other kind of criminal, or even as a meddler. However, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name. For it is time for judgment to begin with God's household; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God? 1 Peter 4:14-17

Candace Jean July 16 said...

I think this verse speaks to you well. Keep writing. I love your blog and shame on me for cringing now and then :) because you rock! Our imperfections are so much more evident when we start throwing stones.

If you are insulted because of the name of Christ, you are blessed, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you. If you suffer, it should not be as a murderer or thief or any other kind of criminal, or even as a meddler. However, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name. For it is time for judgment to begin with God's household; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God? 1 Peter 4:14-17

Amalia said...

I don't believe in God. I first said that out loud less than a year ago, because I was afraid that people who do would condemn me. Some have. Some have judged me. My friends (many of whom are devout Catholics), shrugged and said they'd known how I feel for years, and they still love me. All my best to you while you make your own road. Big hugs - and thanks for sharing with us.

Kelley said...

I linked to your blog because of Angie's blog and I am SO GRATEFUL that I did. You are a tremendously talented writer and it's so cool that you're talking about religion with the same candidness that you talk about everything else. Anyone that says they haven't struggled with the same issues you have are aren't being honest with themselves or anyone else. And I would like for anyone to name one Christian who hasn't used profanity at one point or another. There is no perfection - that got lost at original sin. It's awesome to be yourself, admit your faults, ask and accept forgiveness, and move forward. I think that's the whole point. If I dwelt on my continuous mistakes, I would just give up and that's exactly what we are NOT SUPPOSED TO DO!

Kate's Mommy said...

Hi. I've never read your blog until today. I, too, am a Christian, and it bothers me to no end that so many Christians seem to forget that Jesus sat with, ate with, witnessed to, and was always with sinners (and that would include me had I been around when he was walking this earth physically) and that we so easily judge. I am guilty of it myself, but I try so hard to pray for others instead of judge them. it's not my place, no one will stand before me one day in judgment, so with that thought, I just try to pray and I will pray for your journey. I am so glad you found Angie and she found you. I know it was all a setup by God Himself. blessings to you and I will be praying for your journey.

Melanie said...

Have you ever considered that perhaps your relationship with the one you call God has nothing to do with Christianity?

I think sometimes people think they can't just have God, it has to be within the prescribed confines of a religion.

The women you've described are exactly Christian. They are, by the precepts of their religion, required to question and call out and call to repentance and all of that crap.

I love reading your blog, I've loved it for a long time, and I'm so against Christianity that I would cry at your admission, too- only for a different reason. However, I don't cry, and I'm not really like that.

I would absolutely beg you to consider that perhaps a relationship with God doesn't have to have anything to do with that self-righteous, must-preach-to-the-world crap called Christianity.

Just being honest.

Slartibartfast said...

This was so beautiful and powerful, I'm afraid to add to it.

All I will say is this: once every other month, I visit with people who worship Christ with a sincerity I can't help but be moved by. They exhibit Christ-like qualities that put mine to shame. They are so mature in their walk with Christ, I literally see Him through them.

Yet, they welcome me, they call me brother, they invite me to worship with them.

These people are not at some gilded, flashy church. They are stuck behind bars and barbed wire in prison.

I do not know what these men did to get in there, and when I get to worship with them, I don't care. Seeing the Holy Spirit with my own waking eyes in that place is enough to make me bow down in humility.

I tell you this not to toot my own horn (visiting the prison is not my service, it is a service to me), but to tell you that you - as you are - are an incredibly powerful witness. Don't ever forget that.

As I recall, Jesus has a special place for those who, though imperfect, earnestly seek Him. He is not quite so warm and fuzzy with those who see themselves as already righteous.

Bless you.

Megan (mommyesquire) said...

Thank you for the reminder. There is no perfect Christian. That's why we are Christians, we know that we need CHRIST. We all struggle in different ways, some more public than others. God uses each of us in different ways. I truly believe that God has some wonderful things in store for you. Thank you for being you.

Lyndsey said...

I think that those comments from those women just reaffirm what you've come to realize in the past year: your relationship with God should be about you and God, not about other people.

Sometimes I wonder if people like those women realize that they drive people away? I know there is this whole trend towards atheism or agnosticism in the past twenty years with fewer and fewer younger people especially calling themselves Christians. When you talk to people in their teens, 20s, 30s, about why they left the church, a lot of them will talk about the broken religious "system." We grew up in churches with people like these women taking it upon themselves to judge. Somehow people believe that the more perfect they can live their lives the more right they have to call themselves Christian and berate others for their choices... when really that is so un-Christ-like to do. Did Christ only surround himself with the faithful and perfect? Or did he strive to help those most in need, those struggling for faith?

I am a Christian, but I do not go to church. I pray daily and I have a relationship with my God... but I do not need other people telling me how I should be living my life.

JennaBug said...

So, I was very encouraged to read this post. I am an avid follower of Angie's blog, and I did link over to your site when she posted. I won't pretend I didn't notice a difference, but I will say that didn't stop me from reading your story and laughing at you wit. This post actually reminded me that life is not always about me. I think I (along with others apparently) struggle with judgment because we think that sins are on a gradient. They aren't. One woman's choice consider herself better than ANYONE by judging them (vocally, no less) is no better than a "cuss" word. We are all fallen. Realizing that helps me remember that I am not part of a magic club. And I must confess that I subconciously operate that way sometimes. Your authenticity and true desire to seek God is so inspiring. I am sorry for my attitude. Although I have never posted a word, who know how many people I have turned off in the past! I am so convicted over my attitude. Thank you for your heart and you post. It has allowed me to live today in a way that I hadn't been living before. :) P.S. I thought I'd add my voice that your picture is way cute and not at all immodest (even in my snobby "Christian" brain). And I also MUST say that I absolutely LOVE your wedding pictures. :D

Rachel said...

Girl, we are ALL a work in progress, no matter who we are. Bless your heart for being brave and authentic, something that many of us Christians are afraid to do. This is the first time I have read your blog, but I can promise you this-- it will NOT be the last.

Keep writing! I appreciate you as my sister in Christ! ~Rachel

Tori said...

Linked here from Angie's. I am sorry you had a bad experience with some commenters. My heart goes out to you and I pray God continues to reveal HIS truths to you, and that this situation becomes a stepping stone in your life.

I have one question for you (this may sound harsh, and maybe even a bit cliché, but it is NOT NOT NOT meant to be, it is hard to inflict emotion into keystrokes) - at the end of the day, what matters more - what other people think? or what God thinks??

I stick with what God thinks and the others - let them eat cake!!!

I am proud to call myself a God-loving, God-fearing, Christian and I live my life according to the convictions GOD has placed on my heart, not how other people think I should live. I am not perfect, and my mother reminds me of this fact daily!! :) But at the end of the day, when I get alone with my Father He is faithful to remind me that HE LOVES ME! I belong to Him and nothing can change that. I fail him time and time again, but He continues to love me!

One of my favorite preachers/teachers is James MacDonald (I encourage you to check him out if you don't know who he is). He once said something so extremely profound that I have posted it in several places of my house and at work. He said:

"Even the donkey knew that the palm branches and the blankets were for the person on his back and not for him. It isn't for me that I do these things, Lord, it is for you!!"

You said:

"Unfortunately, remarks made by a few CAN have the power to make a person want to give up on religion altogether. I don't think some Christians realize that. I think they believe they're doing us all a service by telling us what we're doing wrong."

Yes, some Christians are like that. But I can honestly say that most are not. Try not to let them discourage you from seeking God - I know it is hard, I have been there myself. But it is nothing more than the devil trying to pull you away from God's truths.

We may receive hundreds of compliments, but the one or two negative comments always steal our joy. STEAL IT BACK!!

My prayers are with you!!

*Jo* said...

This makes me so sad!
We should be lifting people up instead of bringing them down. We get attacked enough by non-Christians. We don't need more. What I do know is that whatever trials there are, God is there to pull us through and I, for one, am glad you have Him to do that for you.

Anonymous said...

I personally think that God is much more interested in what we DO than what we SAY. :) Love your blog, which I found via Angie's. There's an email joke circulating about a woman who gets stuck behind a guy who stops at a yellow light. She honks and yells at him for holding her up. A policeman witnesses this, and pulls her over. The joke is... he thinks the car must be stolen since there is a "WWJD" bumper sticker, fish symbol, pro-life sign..etc.
People who ACT like that are what keeps many from church! Great job putting it out there...

arminda said...

I became a Christian three years ago at the age of 30. Why did I wait so long? Pretty much the same things you mentioned. I felt in my heart that I was ready to have the relationship with God, to grow in Him. But I wasn't ready to be like the other "Christian women" I saw parading around town with their bibles in one hand and their perfect children in the other hand. It was very intimidating!

Now three years later, though I am still not "there" (whatever "there" is), I am more comfortable being around women like that. You see the enemy lies to us constantly. He reminds us we're imperfect. (Only God is perfect!) He tempts us to sin and then uses that against us by making us think we can't be close to God because we've sinned. EVERYone sins. No matter how "Christian" people claim to be, especially when they're judging someone else, THEY SIN TOO. No human is without sin. That means Christians too. Christians sin! Every day! The difference with Christians is that we're forgiven for our sins.

I don't know where my point is in all of that. I go to bible study and belong to a mom's group at my church. There are unfortunately some women there that do still intimidate me because they seem to portray that whole picture of what some think a Christian woman should be. Quiet, soft, always quoting scripture, never voicing her opinion. That's so not me. I'm loud, very opinionated, I don't go around bragging about how many verses I know and I feel uncomfortable praying out loud. :)

I'm sharing this only because I stayed away from Christianity for years because of people like whom you described. People who made me think I wasn't worthy to walk in Christ. I saw how Christians judged each other, not just me, and I didn't want any part of it.

Thankfully I have learned that when it comes to my relationship with Jesus, it's just Him and me. Those times when it seems like the entire world is letting you down, my God is constant and never leaves me.

Don't let the enemy use the judgement from Christians to keep you from continuing your journey, wherever it may lead you. :)

PS I followed Angie's link to your blog and have been reading every since. Love your humor. :)

Worshipfan said...

Wow girl! I stumbled upon your blog from twitter and what you wrote broke my heart more than a little...So sorry that happened.

God DOES celebrate every small victory with us as we move along this journey - and I think he not only wants authenticity from us, but he loves it when we are real with the world.

I'm a big fan of Jesus...but sometimes his peeps piss me off! That being said, thanks for being part of this unhealthy and dis-functional "family" that is all related through Christ - even when some of the siblings are mean!

God bless em...then mean well, but Jesus himself didn't have much good to say about the religious folks either - and he hung out with some pretty salty people!

I'm really glad I found you....keep being who you are.

Ace said...

Thank you for being open and honest. I'm a Christian, go to church every Sunday, actually prefer Christian radio stations (unless someone else is playing some awesome '80's music) and strive every day to be who God made me to be.
But you helped me realize why, in a year at our current church, I haven't even tried to make any friends or go to classes or join groups. I don't like being naked. I don't want people to know my past because I've been in churches and had friends before that find out your past and slowly let the friendship die. I don't want that hurt anymore so I just don't make friends at church.
Thank you for being real.

mum of 2 grls said...

I believe that Jesus is the son of God, he came from heaven to earth, he lived a perfect life, died on the cross TO PAY FOR MY SINS, rose from the dead and lives in heaven now offering us the free gift of eternal life.
I have been saved by God’s grace and his blood. I am not saved because of my good works or deeds, I am not saved because of who I am or anything I could do. It is because God had mercy on me and saved me. Praise be to Him!!!
Do I stumble? Yep every day. Do I curse, yep that darn word flew out of my mouth when I dropped the mayo jar on my foot this morning. Am I still saved? ABSOLUTLY! Is my shirt a little too low cut today. I don’t think so but, my mom probably does. I am an imperfect person living in an imperfect world who had been made clean and whole by GOD! I am a new creation that is a work in progress everyday and there is nothing that I can do or that anyone else can do to take me from the hand of God. It is his grace that sustains me, it is his grace that gives me life and it is by his grace that I have been saved. Don’t ever let anyone tell you that you are not a Christian because of how you dress, act, or speak. They need to understand that if not for the GRACE of God they could be the person that they think is going to hell! If you have asked Jesus to live in your heart, asked him to forgive you of your sins and you have given your life to him then you are a Christian and heaven will be full of people just like you and I who will get there by his grace. PRAISE BE TO GOD!!!

Khristy Parham
Central SC

PS if you have time and you want to, check out my churches website. It is full of imperfect people like me who seek to know Jesus more. www.newspring.cc

Marcy said...

Wonderful post. I love your raw honesty. May God bless you this week!

Anonymous said...

We've been in limbo with our religious choices for about a year - and I am always shocked when people are so quick to offer their opinions about it! We were at a party with friends (who we haven't seen in over 5 years) last weekend and I mentioned that we did not have our kids in religious ed classes at all this year - and the woman basically told me "you HAVE to put them back in"! - made me want to keep them out for another year just to piss her off!

Holly Green said...

Hello! I read Angie's blog, but had not yet come across yours. I think that it is so great that you are sharing your journey with Christ through this. All of us struggle and all of us are sinners. I love the fact that you are completely honest about your imperfections instead of acting like you are perfect or better than anyone else. Our job as Christians is to love everyone, not to judge or condemn them, and I am so sorry that there are people who are doing just that. Thank you for your honesty and I will pray for you and your journey with Christ!

bec74 said...

I am a christian,have been one forever...I feel as if people "christians"forget we are not to JUDGE!!! It is not our place!!! I am sorry that people,I mean christians,forget that! Your blog rocks!!!!

Pen to Paper; Spirit to Soul said...

love, love, love this entire post...except where you happened to quote the 'church ladies'!

I heard someone say the other day "My first name is not Holy, my last name is not Spirit; I can't judge your motives!" I hope I can remember that simple phrase for the rest of my life!!!

Glad to hear that God is drawing you closer to His heart, Sister!

Pamela in TX

Anonymous said...

I am just an imperfect Christian sending you some love on a Thursday morning.....
Have a wonderful and beautiful day.
Warmest Regards, Gina

MeChele said...

Has anyone heard of Grace? We are not perfect people or there would be no need for a Saviour....we all face challenges every day and no one if worse than the other. We are living for Him not man. May God's blessings pour out on you and your family. Have a wonderful rest of the week and weekend. Much love!

Me'Chele-Indiana

lar said...

Oh, I feel for you so much. I've been a minister's wife for 15 years and have much more in common with you than with the "sorority" of which you speak. I've given up trying to hide my imperfections--it's too hard to try to keep up that show.

I've been on both the giving and the receiving end of those types of judgmental comments (told you I was imperfect) and I'm not sure which made me feel worse--knowing I'd hurt someone, or being hurt. I think your commenter was trying to encourage you to be "better," but risked pushing you away from God instead of toward Him. That's why so many turn away from faith--someone says something hurtful, and they blame God instead of the person. I'm glad that you can see that God accepts you right where you are--he REJOICES when you call yourself a Christian!

Hoosiermama said...

I'm sorry others felt the need to pass judgement on you. That's God's business. Not ours.
Don't let others turn you off of God. Press into Him to find what He has planned for you.

Anonymous said...

I think everyone should be able to have their own unique relationship with God without being judged by others. I just love it when people point out what good Christians they are and then go on to bash and judge others...yeah, Jesus would be proud!

Julie

Gertie said...

Here is an article that I thought was related to what your dilemna. Please get past the initial "the is anti Christianity" reflex and read the article. : )

http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0310/p09s01-coop.html

ski said...

Thanks for NOT being perfect or even pretending to be so. I am an avid reader of Angie's blog and somehow JUST found yours!! I think I am really going to enjoy reading as you figure out life and religion (as I am still trying to figure it all out myself).

LC

deb said...

I am learning more by reading all these profound and hearfelt posting than years of bible verse. Thanks.

Kristy said...

Sweet Lindsey, I cried for you today... do not ever think that you should not label yourself as a "Christian"... you are an honest "Christian". That is something I am striving for everyday, and you know what, I don't always succeed. Does that make me less than? No, like you, I am a work in progress and it is not my work that needs to be done, but the work of the Lord through me.

Gertie said...

trying to type last comment one handed as two year old was hanging on other one. hopefully you get the gist.

Jessica said...

I think you are exactly right. I believe those people who are judging you for "profanity" (ass is in the Bible) and/or subject matter are taking a legalistic approach to Christianity which, from my experience, is everything BUT Christ-like. Have you ever heard of Mark Driscoll? He's a pastor in Seattle and is known as the "cussing pastor". He has been criticized relentlessly about his use of profanity and the subjects he teaches on by many top pastors in our country, but he has this incredible ministry that is bringing thousands to Christ. Personally, he is one of the best speakers I have ever heard. You should read his book "Radical Reformission". He talks about ministering in places where some "Christians" would never be caught dead. And you know, Jesus didn't exactly hang out with all the other Christians. He was out there with the tax collectors and prostitutes. I beleive your blog can be an amazing example of Christ. THROUGH your use of the occasional bad word and your willingness to talk about REAL things, you could draw in people who would never in their life click on a "Christian" blog. Keep doing what you're doing! God can use you in mighty ways!

Carrie said...

Came here from a tweet from Angie- and honey, we're all works in progress. Even the ladies who left those comments. I'm sorry you were hurt, and I'm proud of you for taking time to truly seek what God wants for you in your faith. And I'm glad that you have Angie as a friend- what a neat relationship! God truly works in mysterious ways. :) :) :)

Anonymous said...

Amen Sister!

Anonymous said...

I am christian. Those kinds of women are the reason I stopped attending church. Didnt Jesus hang out with the sinners and tax collectors?

Amber said...

Well said. What makes us Christians is not that we are perfect, it is that we have Christ in us who helps to make us a little more like Him every day. None of us are perfect. WE ALL STRUGGLE WITH SOME SIN IN OUR LIVES. I struggle with profanity sometimes, but it doesn't make me love my Jesus any less or Him love me any less. God does not give our sin(s) a level of badness. A sin is a sin, and none of us are without them. Thank you for being honest with us. Keep it up!

Anonymous said...

In treating others as Christ would, it is our job as Christians to accept you as you are. (If I knew how to underline that I would). Do not stoop to the level of those condescending women by judging them too. They are blinded by their own insecurities and preconceived notions, but all the same we should love them as they are. On another note, I have had people curse while telling me a story at church-gasp. These were godly women who were just telling a story. The words you use do not make you less of a person, less of a Christian or more for that matter. Your words reach your audience. I am a sinner, you are a sinner, the entire world sins. We all fall short but that doesn't change our love for the Lord.

Anonymous said...

When my husband and teenage son began watching a TV show called "Dog, the Bounty Hunter", I was appalled! This big-breasted woman, long-haired, tattooed man, and lots of bleeped-out words filled the TV screen. Then I found myself listening closer, and watching...now count me in as a Dog fan! These people are out to make a difference in the lives they touch. Yes, they use profanity. Yes, she dresses immodestly...but what I am saying here is that we ALL have areas we need to clean up, areas that do not measure up, and things we may like to change but don't have it in us to change. I don't exercise and I eat too much of the wrong food. That is just as wrong as using foul language, or any other 'social' sin. I am not giving any of us an excuse to live a lifestyle of sin. My sin is evident to anyone who meets me - I am overweight. Yours can be covered by simply watching what you say and pulling your blouse up. We are real people trying to get through this time in the world in our earth-suits. Where are our hearts?
I love what you said about the heroes of the Bible. Many of them committed sin, BIG sins, according to our human scale of grading sin. I think our walk is a journey; we are to conform to the image of Christ. I think this conforming takes a lifetime.
Thanks for your honesty and transparency. God bless you for the lives you touch!

Ileana said...

I also found your blog through Angie's and since then I have been a faithful reader. I think is great and I love your sense of humor. Your response to those commenters is great! We are all works-in-progress.

Anonymous said...

First time to read your blog. THANK YOU! You put into words what I have been feeling for a very long time. It's like I feel intimidated by those type of Christians, when I know that I shouldn't be! I think that they are the ones who are just beginning in their journey with God, not you (or me!). Stay true to yourself and I believe God will lead us all in the right direction, if we let Him in our hearts.

Lauren Kelly said...

Just came across your blog and LOVED this post, so very true and really resonated with me, thank you!!!! :o)

Mandy and Jack said...

Thank you for writing this post, Lindsay. I am one of the Christians who found you through Angie, and I will tell you with complete and total honesty I never judged you for the things you wrote - never even crossed my mind to do so. And it REALLY never crossed my mind to judge Angie for being your friend!! The thought! My goodness.

Lindsay, you are an imperfect sinner, just like I am an imperfect sinner, and JUST LIKE ANGIE is an imperfect sinner. I understand it being difficult to see somebody like Angie like this (I have a hard time not questioning my faith when I read about her amazing faith) but I know she doesn't want that from her friends and readers. We MUST avoid putting people on pedestals and turn our eyes to the One who is perfect and who can change us.

You're a work in progress (me too!). Good for you.

Anonymous said...

This so much reminds me of Angies "In Between" Post from a while back. Only she talked about nice jeans and coach purses instead of swear words and tank tops. I just want to say that I've been struggling with this same issue recently as I desire to find my way back into a church family and a more personal relationship with God. I had the same experiences in highschool with those judgmental christians and I've been skeptical ever since. I've always said that pursuing a relationship with God should never make you feel bad about yourself. It IS PERSONAL and individual to each person. I sincerely believe that if you're walking with HIM he could care less what TV shows you watch, what brand of jeans you wear or if you said "ass" today. And the fact that I just "stumbled" across both of your blogs in the last few weeks just as BOTH of you began to raise this issue shows that you have not suffered in vain. :)

juli said...

I found your blog through Angie's and I'm planning on being a regular reader, I'm christian and I'm sure there are some people (maybe many) who would put that in italics when referring to me too. I love Christ, but why pretend I'm perfect when He and I know that's not the case.

Erin said...

I started reading your blog a few months before I started reading Angie's about a year ago. I am a firm believer in Jesus Christ. A lot of "believers" like to make judgments on other people because of their own issues with themselves. I have friends like that. It's easier to see someone else's "sin" than their own. It's as if they are closer to the Lord if they are judgmental. You just have to ignore it. At the end of your life it's between you and the Lord. You know what His word says, you know how you're supposed to live. It's your choice, He gives us free will. If you're living the way you feel you should, then no one should be judging you because it's between you and the Lord. The judgment of others will also be between them and the Lord one day.

Jessica said...

I received this as an email a few times and have kept it to look at from time to time when I run across people like the commenters. I hope this encourages you as much as it has encouraged me! Just keep the faith!!

When I say... 'I am a Christian' I'm not shouting 'I'm clean livin''

I'm whispering 'I was lost, Now I'm found and forgiven.'

When I say... 'I am a Christian' I don't speak of this with pride.

I'm confessing that I stumble and need Christ to be my guide.

When I say... 'I am a Christian' I'm not trying to be strong.

I'm professing that I'm weak and need His strength to carry on.

When I say.. 'I am a Christian' I'm not bragging of success.

I'm admitting I have failed and need God to clean my mess.

When I say... 'I am a Christian' I'm not claiming to be perfect,

My flaws are far too visible but, God believes I am worth it.

When I say... 'I am a Christian' I still feel the sting of pain..

I have my share of heartaches, so I call upon His name.

When I say... 'I am a Christian' I'm not holier than thou,

I'm just a simple sinner Who received God's good grace, somehow!

Melody said...

You wrote "I had to include them [the nasty comments] in this post because I don't think these women realize that their words are exactly the kind of thing that hold people like me back from even attempting to follow God or attend church."

That saddens me to no end. There is not one person in this entire family that has at one time not struggled or made the wrong decisions. And if they say they haven't, then I would venture to say they are either lying or do not have an authentic relationship with Jesus- because we can be fake all day long and act like we have it all together, but what good does it do our relationship with the One that sees our every thought? He knows then that we're liars and are using His name in vain, and it undermines the very thing He's trying to do in us! Yet God grants grace and mercy to Every Single One of Us. Who appreciates His grace more? The one who receives the most.

I truly think that if we are God-loving women that honestly want nothing more than God, we won't be writing mean comments to women that are pouring their hearts out. We will offer love. And if we don't, then the first thing we should do is look in that mirror and figure out why. Because in that very moment we have gone completely against all that God has called us to do- love one another.

I'm sorry. I know I'm rambling and probably making no sense at all. I have just been SO bothered by the tremendous amount of hypocrisy in the church lately!! I just had my women's retreat this weekend and I was shocked at the things I heard and saw- women sleeping in the hall because their roommates didn't want them in there- yet the next day worshiping God and putting on that smile. I am just so sad by it all. And we need to change. Because whether you had spoken about it or not Lindsay, you are sadly not the exception. There is far, far too much of this going on and we have spent way so much time trying to please everyone around us (a lot of times even in ministry), and have forgotten that we are reflecting Jesus to everyone we meet. We talk about spreading the word of God around the world, yet don't even do it in our own church.

I am so sorry this happened and I am so thankful for your honesty. I know God is using you when you open up like this!

Love Melody

bereccah said...

This is a wonderful post - you are on quite a roll lately! Wow. I vote for the donkey on the header, btw.

kasogayle said...

I love it...you are exactly right. We can't even presume to know what God might be doing in you and through you. Somewhere along the line, Christianity got very caught up in religion and forgot the relationship part. I came over and started reading your blog after reading Angie's...and I applaud you for being real. If we ever hope, as a body of Christ, to break through the stereotypes about Christians and the Church today, we need a good dose of being real and authentic and breaking down those walls of "being perfect" which lead us to judging people. I'm looking forward to hearing about your journey. Keep it up.

Jen said...

Wow, there is some major commenting going on here!

I have lost friends in my life because I am not the model of Christian that they think I should be. Friends who before finding Jesus did many unspeakable things. We went to school together, were in the same Youth Group. Went to retreats together. And as our High School/College years wore on. They decided they were BETTER than me, and didn't want to be associated with me.

Not once did I ever stop being Christian because of them. But I wonder, how did they know that by deciding I wasn't as good as them, and dropping me as a friend. Refusing to answer my calls. Still wont make eye contact with me if they see me at Walmart. How did they know that maybe through THEIR actions I stopped believing.

Many Christians need to watch how they act towards and treat others. And that's what I'm seeing going on through this post.

That being said, I am so pleased that you made friends with Angie. I have never read her blog, but intend to today. She is truly a woman with a beautiful heart. And the model of someone whom knows how to show God's Love.

Michelle Morgan said...

Thank you for writing this! I read Angie's blog (LOVE her) and found yours on it. I immediately appreciated your honesty and transparency! I love my Lord, Jesus Christ, while all the while am soooo imperfect! I attend church regularily, lead a women's bible study and at the same time, in times of frustration can be heard slipping up and dropping the f-bomb. I am a work in progress. I am imperfect. I believe that Jesus loves me through it all. The only perfect person to ever walk this earth was Jesus Christ himself - and what a relief because I know I will not/can not ever be perfect.
I admire your honesty and totally agree that you will be able to draw people to the Lord because of your own set of circumstances. There is no condemnation through Christ - remember that!!!!!! God bless you!

Di said...

Shoot! I was under the impression that "us" Christians are forgiven. Not perfect.
*Off to check my Bible!
;}
That being said, I am thrilled to have you as a sister in Christ and to know that you are seeking His word and will for your life.
Di

The Hixson Family said...

Amen, sister! Jesus didn't hang out with perfect people, he hung around sinners because they needed him the most. We all sin and we all fall short. It's only by grace we've been saved.

Heidi said...

I haven’t read everyone’s comments, don’t actually have that much time on my hands  However, I just wanted to say, please DON’T stop writing about religion. I am a “Christian” (whatever that really means in the world today) and even a worship pastor’s wife and I honestly struggle with a lot of the same things that you do. I found your blog through Angie’s and I linked to it when I didn’t even know you were a Christian. I thought your blog was hilarious and I loved how honest you were. (The first few blogs I read were about your trip and how you were having stomach issues on the plane and while you were there – totally laughed so hard!) Just ignore the judgmental people who cry when they find out you are a Christian. If I may be so bold to say, I feel like you are trying to be more like Jesus than they are. I am sure the only tears Jesus shed when you turn to him are tears of joy and NEVER EVER tears of shame. Ever. I am fairly certain (for how much he actually talks about it) that he is not super fond of judgers. That’s all I have to say about that;)

StephanieU74 said...

I "met" you when Angie linked to you and I didn't think anything terrible about your posts.

You write what I would probably write, if I still blogged. I had a similar problem to what you're talking about in this post, and I shut it down because I didn't feel like, at the time, that my relationship with God could withstand such an attack because I went through the same type of attack by "Christians" in my home church when I was a teenager. Maybe my perspective will help?

I was very angry with God in my 20's, and that anger is still there, to some extent. I did come to the realization, however, that I put too much emphasis on looking at others and not at Christ. How dare other people who think they are Christians to judge me by their standards?

They dare because either (1) they are convicted by my life and they are trying to quiet the conviction, or, as you mentioned (2) God is trying to say something to me.

All Christians, the real ones and the fake ones, need to understand that there is only one path of Salvation and walking with Jesus, it just looks different to each of us who walk the road with Him because of our individual life experiences. None of us are perfect, and we've got all "beams" in our eyes that need removing.

I am grateful you are willing to share that struggle with the world. That's a very brave thing to do. The Lord is the same today as He was yesterday, and He loves you right where we are, no matter how imperfect. What counts is that we are not content in our imperfectness, and I see that in your writing. God bless you as you travel Life with Him!

Lisa said...

I have not read the other comments, so I apologize if I'm repeating what others have said, but God does not judge a person to be good or bad. We are all his children. Therefore, others should not judge you to be "christ-like" or a "good" enough Christian. You, individually, choose to have or not have a relationship with God and it's no one else's business what goes on between the two of you.

If you haven't already, I recommend you read "The Shack". It was a great book and it'll clear up a lot of misconceptions people have about God.

T with Honey said...

You've done it again. You made another grown woman cry - but this time they are tears of joy.

I can just picture God giving Jesus a high-five over you calling yourself a Christian. Everyone is at a different level of recognizing, understanding and accepting their faith. Your heart has been opened and I'll be praying that God will continue to guide you in learning what your special relationship should be and in discerning His plan for you.
Congrats!!

Ariel said...

I'm delurking to say I think you are wonderful.
I'll go back to being Christian when being Christian means "As I have loved you love one another" is the only thing being taught.
Until then? I'll stay in my Buddhist/Bahai/Christian mishmash that is working for me.

Erika said...

i am a Unitarian Universalsit who loves Jesus...

loved this post

Trina said...

I'm thankful for your honesty and humor. It's refreshing to say the least.

lori said...

WELL I am a new reader thinks to Angie. I have a lot of reading here to do, BUT I love this post. I always try to tell people That the ones Jesus used the most (David, Paul, Mary, Peter, John etc...) Were so far from the churches ideas of perfect little Christians. And the ones Jesus rebuked were the Pharisees who acted perfect.. Get it people!! It is when we are real that God can do the most with us. I will be a faithful reader...

Erica Hami said...

I for one love the transparency...

Anonymous said...

This is the first time I read your blog (followed Angie's link over). I will probably be repeating what many others have said but honestly comments that were made (probably by well meaning people) are the type of stuff that keeps those who long for a relationship with Him but do not feel "good" enough for Him away. I was an alcoholic, had sex with many men, and was anorexic for many many years and guess what the second I repented and asked Jesus into my heart my slate was wiped clean. Just because I did walk the same path as someone else (sunny bright always been a Christian type - I am not knocking this lifestyle because it is a testiment in istelf) does not mean I am not as saved as them. Jesus hung out with the prostitutes and tax collectors. Thank you for your honesty, I love your blog header (laughed out loud and the cleverness of it all), and at the end of you and Jesus are the ones who work things out, not you and nasty commenting people. Rock it sister!

angelaraew said...

I do not (nor will I ever) understand why some Christians believe the word "Christian" is synomonous with "let me judge you and tell you everything you have done wrong and why you aren't good enough"
Seriously.Don't.Get.It.
I actually wrote a post last week on why I was wary about becoming a Christian because of the bad taste MANY Christian had left in my mouth.
I thank you for being SO brave and SO transparent. I think it's something ALL of us need to do :)

Anonymous said...

Good for you and all that, but your posts on Christianity come across as being painted with a very wide brush -- that if you're a conservative Christian then you're judgey. But, if you're posting here and you love me, then you're not.
It's more complicated than that.
And, what is your part in this? What did you do to cause the original critique in another forum?

You know the AA saying: Whatever you think of me is none of my business?

I find that to be pretty smart and energy-saving.

Good luck on your walk of faith.

babybloomr said...

Wow, Linds-- hit a nerve, much?! Love all of the reactions.
I have pretty much heard/seen it all in terms of what can be said/done in the name of Christianity, but I have to say-- you are the first person I've ever met that caused another Christian to cry simply because you were a Christian, too! I'm kinda proud to know you.
And I love your heart.

Amy said...

I am SO disappointed in those two comments. God draws people to Him in very different ways and I am sure that he uses you and Angie as vessels for Him (slightly different vessels - but that is for His greater purpose.) Keep up the good work.

snowberrylife said...

God wasn't the only one cheering when you made your announcement! I'm so excited to see how he uses you and your faith in the future!

Chris said...

I know there are enough comments already, but hey, here's my 2 cents. I'm a regular reader of your blog. I enjoy it, and I enjoy your writing. I don't always agree with what you say, but hey, that's how things are SUPPOSED to be. That being said, I don't consider your blog a "Christian" blog. You don't pray, quote Scripture (although being a good Southern girl, I'm sure you can!) or hold yourself out as a Christian more so than a mom, a woman, etc. So for some of these "Christian" bloggers to put you down for your blog's content - well, that's just not very Christian of them. For those of us who are Christians, I think we all work at it, in our own way.

Kristy Tootle said...

I am sooooo glad you addressed this...I DO read Angies blog...and I do sometimes read the comments on her blog...and I am always blown away at the sorrity type comments that "act" as if she IS in their special club...I have been a christian since the age of 5 and by no means have ever been perfect...However, this is just the type of thing that erks me...The very first day I saw Angie mentioning your blog, I was delighted!!!! Here's why - THAT is the real Angie...she is not like those women who **THINK** they are **like her** and are a part of a *special* club!!! They are DEAD wrong...Angie truely models her life after Christ not to the conformity of of what these people **Think** we should act like...thats crazy...I get so enraged when these women shun other women because, they dont talk like them or walk like them...HA! As if **they** wrote the rules on what it is to be a christian??? This is NOT what Christ wants from us....he says "follow me!" Not "follow them, do what those ladies do and all will be well!" To think that someone cried at the fact you are a christian or think you are a chrstian??? I am outraged by that...sin is sin folks....judgement IS sin...God didn't create us to figure out who is really a christian...God made us to serve him and I think that FOCUS has completly been lost in christianity....NOW you must be PERFECT TO ENTER CHURCH...has anyone let them know they sin and fall short of the Glory of God EVERY DAY OF THEIR LIVES??????????????????????????
Something is seriously wrong with this picture when people think that they are closer to God because, they dont *talk* that way or do *those* things...Hmmmm....actually it opens your eyes to how many people may be chrstians,but have not walked a CLOSE walk to Christ a day in their life...I choose Christ NOT the Club and if that means I am looked down upon by the club, so be it....Jesus was too...press on sister, press on sister....Praying you find a close relationship with Christ and never join the club....

ktjrdn said...

I honestly want to know where in the Bible that it defines ass as a curse word. The only place I've read about "bad words" are using His name in vain. I can't see how your word choice for a body part, etc can possibly reflect on your relationship with God.

Bellamomma said...

*sigh* The types of comments you got are the types of comments that caused me to leave the church so many years ago ~ and are the same reason that I still have a bit of fear every time I walk through the doors of the sanctuary.

I don't understand why personal critisms have to be pointed out "because Christ would want them to". Your email addy is prominent in your blog ~ those comments could have been made quietly & personally. Better yet, they could have offered to pray with you, support you & help you as you walk through this change. Christ never went out of his way to embarrass anyone & He would never want that for his children.

I adore people like Angie, with the faith and compassion to stand by their friends & support them without judgement or condemnation. THAT reflects Christ to me ~ that's the kind of Christian woman I want to be & who I want to be surrounded by.

Trish said...

This article is much needed food for my soul today. Thank you. I consider you and your words a blessing in my life and am thankful for the opportunity to keep reading, thinking, and learning.

Schultz Family said...

I came from Angie's blog. Jesus came for imperfect people like us--he didn't come for perfect people. Let those without sin cast the first stone. Thanks for being real!!!

Jen said...

I'm coming here from Angie's twitter post....

Wow girl. You completely hit the nail on the head. People who "think" they're living everyday in perfect Christ-likeness, are only fooling themselves. We ALL make mistakes. That's what God's grace is for.

Big chocolate covered kudos for you on being brave enough to put this out there. And congratulations on begining your search for what He wants. HUGS and one of those Second Avenue pralines for you!!!

Anonymous said...

In every tradition you are going to find representatives of self-interest and selfless interest. This does not make the tradition evil. It speaks to motive and intention. Most people are dissonant and striving for harmony even though the drive of their self-interest consistently drives them away.

One of the keys to a greater harmony in life and in purpose is in gaining the understanding that all religions are based on the same thing. The great Hindi saint Ramakrishna entered into every one of the major religions and experienced enlightenment in each of them and declared that they are all the same. Our greatest stumbling block is in the mind’s disposition to seeing the world external as a duality play. We see differences. We see differences in religious beliefs and we see differences in each other. We see all manner of differences but everything is made out of the same thing in terms of what we call matter and everything is interpenetrated by the same thing which we call consciousness. The consciousness and the matter are the same thing as well but in another aspect.

Kim said...

I read Angie's blog and found you through her. First of all, we are all a work in progress. ALL of us sinners and all of us at different places in our life and in our faith-whether it is a believer or a follower, aren't we all journeying (is that a word?) on the same path. And together with God's grace, we'll get there! Angie was a help to me, too!

Alicia said...

Wow. I think something that is always important to remember is that your beliefs are personal, like you said. Each person has their own walk with God, and we grow because of that.

I read both yours and Angie's blog. I relate to you both. I'm a struggling Christian...Join the club sister!

I feel like many of your commentors, being a christian is not about judging others. It's about learning to love Christ, and doing it in your own way.

I grew up in a STRONG Southern Baptist home, where my father was a Deacon and my mother ran the Preschool Program. Whew, boy have I been judged! I quit attending church for several years after my pastor admitted to having an affair with the Minister of Education's wife for over a decade. I was so lost.

I went occasionally, and then stopped again in 2001 for a while. My mother who had given so much of herself to those who needed her wisdom and guidance passed away. My mother who devoted her time and love to this "church" was ignored time and again by the church while she died in a hospital.

I never have lost my faith in Christ, but I have on several occasions lost my faith in Christians. Because of that I have strived to be exactly as you & Angie. An imperfect Christian trying to find my way to Christ. I cuss occasionally, I enjoy wine, and I really enjoy cigarettes. But those things do not define my Christianity, my beliefs,my faith, my love for God. I have my OWN personal walk with the Lord, and you know what...He gets me and loves me just the same. Just like he loves you too girl!

I commend you for who you are, no gimmicks, just good old-fashioned honesty. And you know what...those who hide behind judgment are just afraid of being judged themselves, because they know they have flaws too.

Casey said...

Hey Lindsey!

I've been a reader of yours for a long time (and Angie's too) but wanted to de-lurk to thank you for your honesty.

I have the same struggles that you are facing. I'm trying to strengthen my relationship with God, but fall short every time. I'm guilty of saying "ugly" words sometimes, but like you, I know me some scripture too.

Finding the balance between the two is something I've had difficulty with on my blog too.

With all my faults, I still consider my self a Christian (without quotation marks). And you should too. You're searching and trying to develop more of a relationship with God- I think that's what He wants from all of us.

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