Have you noticed? The work-at-home-mom is under attack.
Oh, I've gotten the comments from time to time from a few angry WOHMs (that's work-OUTSIDE-the-home-moms, for the uninitiated), who bitterly jab their fingers at me and tell me I have no right to call what I do, 'work.'
"The stuff you write couldn't take more than a few minutes," one declared.
"If you're so busy, how do you have time to take your kids to the park and the zoo all the time?" another wanted to know.
"I wish I could do my 'work' at Starbucks, too," a third snickered.
Honestly, I passed these comments off as women who hated their jobs, and were looking for someone to blame. They were venting their frustrations on me only because I represented something they wanted and didn't have.
But then I read Samantha's post on the Internet and all the supportive comments that followed it, and I realized that the image of WAHMs as whiners who don't do real work is more widespread than I had realized.
Samantha wants everyone to know that "working from home is not even in the same realm as being a Working Mother." She calls what WAHMs do, "fluff," and accuses us of "escaping" to Starbucks to work on our Macbooks.
She says that our effort to balance work and family is "a f#!@in joke."
And dozens of women agree with her.
I'll be honest. This post stung. Particularly since it came not from an anonymous commenter, but from a respected blogger in the online community.
I get her overall purpose in writing the post, and agree that the Momversation webisode on working moms should have included the perspective of a WOHM. Who could argue with that?
But I don't get all this animosity toward mothers who work from home. I don't think for a moment that my job is harder than that of the average WOHM, but I certainly wouldn't call it easier, either.
For one thing, I think it's fair to say I have not one, but two full-time jobs. One involves meeting all of my writing deadlines and running three blogs, the other consists of teaching and caring for two small children, 24-7. Cooking and cleaning for six is basically another part-time job on top of that.
Essentially, I have no free time. No vacation time. No days off. I am always working on something, and I am always behind. Much like a WOHM, I'd imagine.
I would compare how I generally feel to someone who's been dog paddling for hours, someone who is just barely keeping her face above the surface of the water. And too often, I feel like I'm going under. Sound familiar, Samantha?
What keeps me going, though, is that I genuinely love my jobs. I love spending time with my children. I love writing, and all that comes with it. I love having a family. I also love having a little more financial security. I love lessening the stress on my husband, who keeps track of our finances. I've seen a huge change in him since I started making a significant income again, and it has made a difference in our relationship. I feel lucky, so lucky that I actually love what I do for a living.
But I also think back often to the time before I had so much work, the time when it wasn't a struggle to homeschool my preschool daughter, the time when we spent all day doing arts and crafts and reading books and baking and exploring. Now, those things are wedged into my work day wherever I can fit them in. They aren't happening as often as I'd like. I feel tremendous amounts of guilt about this, and am constantly worrying over whether they're getting the quality of childcare that they deserve.
That said, I have to laugh when the occasional bitter reader acts like the fact that I take my kids to story time or the park means I've obviously got too much time on my hands. Kids in preschool and daycare programs do special things, too, don't they? They put on plays. They go on field trips. They have theme days. If activities weren't planned for them, who would want to leave their child there?
How is my job as my children's childcare provider any different?
I also have to laugh about the snarky Starbucks comments. Yes, Starbucks is essentially my office. I write there between eight and ten hours a week. I get quite a bit of work done in relative peace and quiet. I'm not quite sure where else I could go and have a wireless Internet connection and a staff that doesn't mind me sitting there for three or four hours at a time.
How is going to Starbucks any different from another mom going to her cubicle or office each day? How would it make Samantha feel if I accused her of "escaping" to her office when she leaves her children each morning? Not good, I'd imagine.
Samantha believes that WAHMs don't argue with their husbands about childcare issues, or risk losing their jobs when they have to leave work for a sick child. But I'd say that if other WAHMs are anything like me, there have been more than a few, um, 'heated discussions' about childcare.
Husbands to WAHMs generally end up taking care of the kids alone far more, I'm guessing, than husbands of WOHMs, because WAHMs are constantly trying to fit their work in wherever they can. In my house, that means that my husband picks up between two and four hours of watching them alone a week on evenings and weekends, so that I can get my work done. Often, the last thing he wants to do when he gets home from work or has a day off is take care of the kids all by himself. He has a very stressful job and deserves a break. But he takes on the extra work because it's financially good for our family.
As for sick children, the issues are the same. Most WAHMs have deadlines. If I have a sick child or a traumatic family issue, there's a very real chance that my deadlines won't be met, and I risk losing that job for not meeting them, just as Samantha might lose her job if she leaves work.
When I think about it, making these broad generalizations about SAHMs and WAHMs and WOHMs is ridiculous. (And yes, I say that now, even having written these posts two years ago. I am older now. And wiser. And I have a few more of those damned crows feet.) There are so many variables. Do you hate what you do? Are you a single mom? Are you in debt? Does your husband abuse you? Then you're going to have a harder time doing your work, no matter what you're doing or where you go to do it.
Are you financially secure? Do you have grandparents helping with the kids? Do you love your job? Do you work part-time hours? Do you have a great, compassionate boss? Then you might have an easier time doing your work, no matter what you're doing or where you go to do it.
Samantha says she knows being a WOHM is harder, because she has been a WAHM, too. But maybe her variables were different from mine.
So let's lay off each other for a little while, shall we?
Or at the very least, might I ask that you refrain from calling what I do a "f$!*in' joke?"
Because that's just asking for a throwdown.
Tuesday, June 16, 2009
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My sister-in-law was a senior accountant for a fairly large corporation. When her husband's job was sufficient for her family to live a comfortable life, she decided to stop working. The company, would have none of it and let her "tele-commute." She has been able to get more done in 4 hours at home, than others do at the office in 8. She occasionally has to go into the office for meetings, but they aren't frequent. As far as I am concerned, if both she and the company who she works for are happy, more power to her.
Word. Done both myself. It takes incredible self-discipline to freelance successfully, in addition to talent of course.
Yeah. I like Samantha and understand that going back to work has been very hard for her, but the 'f*&@ing joke' does sting.
My work is full-time, and then some. Sure, I can take breaks to play with the baby and take E to the park - which is really a blessing - but anytime I do that I have to offset it by working late into the evening and/or missing bathtime and/or hissing 'not now not now' when they want my attention on a weekend. The refrain 'Mommy just has to finish some work first!' starts to sound so hollow and ICK.
I get that it's hard for WAHMs - I was one for a while when I went back to teaching briefly - but it being hard for a WAHM does not mean that a WOHM's work is a f*&@ing joke. Just, not.
I don't know why any woman would attack any other woman, unless she sat around eating truffles and watching soaps all day. Seriously, whether we are SAHMs, WAHMs, or WOHMs, we are all under an incredible amount of strain to balance it all. We work 24/7, no days off, and while some of us are lucky enough to do what we love and get paid for it, it doesn't mean we all aren't working. There is no escape, anywhere, no matter what you do. While I do think that blogging is more of a hobby than a legitimate career, and that's great if you happen to make a few dollars at it, I don't think I'd ever refer to it as a joke, or launch a bitter diatribe against those who choose to claim it as their profession. Besides, I reserve my diatribes for the religious right, lol!
I am not a mom.
But, I agree with Samantha. WAHMoms have a ton more OPTIONS than moms who work away from home. Even if it's just spending 10 minutes to take a break and have an ice cream cone with your kid. If you're sitting in an office, you can't do that.
I was a WAHM, but I didn't earn an income. I say WAHM and not SAHM because, I don't care who you are, taking care of two children that are 2 years and 6 days apart is WORK! (as I'm sure you know. lol)
I agree with your defense. No matter how you earn your income, or who earns your income, we all work. Even if it's "enjoyable" work.
Now I'm a WOHM. I don't necessarily work and harder during the 16+ hours I'm awake during the day now that I work outside the home than I did staying at home. It's about the same. The only change (besides more income, thank you Jesus) is I miss my kiddo's more because I can't walk into the next room or turn around and see them.
Hey! I worked at home for 7 years and it was actually MORE stressful for me!! Maybe I didn't have enough self-discipline! I now work outside the home from 8-2 during the school year and it works so much better for me and my family. That is the key: to do what is best for YOUR family! :)
Melanie, regarding blogging, I think this my situation is true of a lot of bloggers these days.
This blog on its own makes a decent amount of money, but in terms of its work importance, it has essentially been what's gotten me all of my other jobs, which have ended up giving me a better income than I'd have now if I were a WOHM.
So for a good number of moms out there, the "home blog" is incredibly important to maintain. It's sort of the core of our freelance careers.
Plus, I love it because here, I'M the editor! :D
I guess my point, Amy Lynn, is that there are upsides and downsides both to being a WAHM and being a WOHM. I'll bet that I could tit for tat you on the issue all day long. I think that in the end, we'd come out even.
That momversation was the first one I've watched and I found it pretty offensive and fluffy--and I've been a SAHM (with a very part-time job) for 20 years.
That said, I went over and read Samantha's post and the comments. If those people are as unhappy with their lives as it sounds as though they are they need to make some changes. Maybe not right now in this economic climate, but they should start planning now.
I thought Samantha's comment (in response to another comment) about how she needed to work for the house she wanted to buy and the Electrolux items she likes was telling. Maybe she doesn't HAVE to be be a WOHM, but once the benefits of being one.
Why begrudge people that have found the work-life balance (SAHMS or WAHM) that works for them? There is sacrifice involved--sacrifice that should not be brushed aside as many of the commenters did. If it's what you wish you had, find a way to make it happen.
Holey moley--proofread much? I meant "wants," not "once."
Jenn, I think that's unfair. Not everyone has interest/ability in writing blogs or local newspaper articles, or similar jobs that would LET you work from home.
there is no question that with each mom, with each family situation, and with each work situation comes different variables.
I have three young kids and I work in an office...and I have a lot of stresses. I am constantly having to miss work to take my kids to the: doctor, dentist, dermatologist, etc. I am constantly having to work crazy-odd hours so i can fulfill my carpool duties. my kids miss out on things like playdates etc. and I miss out on things like grade 1 graduations. I can't ever go on a class trip or volunteer in a classroom.
on the other hand, I can pee in private. I can take a conference call without worrying about if my child will scream. I can run to the pharmacy in the winter if I need to without bundling up children into their snowsuits.
different stresses and challenges.
BUT, both work. just different.
next month, I will begin a year where I will be freelancing. still doing my job now...but from home. I consider it a gift...because, for the first time ever, I will be able to do those things that I have never gotten a chance to do - school plays, volunteer in the classroom, etc.
It will be stressful, I'm sure...but at the end of the day, still work.
(ps. I DO think that momversation dropped the ball, big time, and should have included at least ONE mom who works outside the home. it would have nice to have us work-in-an-office types represented too)
What really struck me is that the women who posted on Sam's blog seem like they have miserable lives. Neither my husband nor I want to spend that much time away from our kids (ages 5 and 2) every day, and so we live on one income (mine) and we have more time than money. I feel sorry for anyone who spends all day every day away from their kids if they don't want to. But I certainly don't support that person attacking other moms.
Plus, why would we ever engage in a contest to see who is the most oppressed/harried/miserable/put-upon? That's a contest where if you win, you lose.
Kathy, what a privileged life you live!
My mom, who is a teacher, raised three kids on her own for several years after my parents divorced, and had to pick up a second sales job so that we could stay in the house we grew up in. Some people don't have a choice.
I'm not jumping on the WAHM/WOHM bandwagon... I've done both. Actually, I've done all three.. SAHM/WAHM and now WOHM.
The bottom line is this.. whether stay at home, work at home, or work outside home... being a mother is HARD ass work. Period. The HARDEST job anyone will EVER have is being a mother.
"The stuff you write couldn't take more than a few minutes," one declared.
Anyone who would say this doesn't know how to write. And sure as hell doesn't know what it means to write for three blogs.
Thanks for that! I am a stay at home with my son, homeschool, cook, clean, tote kid around, sew kids clothing at nap time, make diaper cakes, and am the last to go to bed. All just to try and bring in extra income for our home.In some ways our job is way more difficult! I wouldn't change it for the world!
Wow. Just wow.
I haven't watched any of the Momversation videos so I can't comment on whether or not what they said was out of line, but a f*&^ing joke?
As a matter of fact I do know exactly what it's like to go through just about every single one of the situations Samantha laid out in her post. I've both been a WOHM and a WAHM and both are tough. One may be easier for one woman, the other easier for another, but neither is inherently harder than the other in every situation.
I've been worried to death about losing my job because I have a sick kid at home - I've blogged about it as a matter of fact. Samantha seems to be forgetting however that while WOHMs have the stress of having to call in WAHMs have the stress of not being able to call in. I no longer have sick or vacation or personal days to take when I need them. And yes, I can get fired too. If I don't meet my deadline not only can I get fired, I lose clips that I need to be able to get more projects in the future.
Amy Lynn--I'm not saying it has to be writing. I have friends that are attorneys that work as substitute teachers 2 days a week. It provides the flexibility and income that works in their lives. Are they sacrificing buckets of money? You bet. Are they happier to have the time than the money? You bet.
I know not every single person can have a happy life, but the commenters over on Samantha's blog sound both desperately unhappy and reasonably educated. You only have one life and your kids only have one childhood. Don't waste it if you can help it.
And your mother did a difficult and admirable thing. Sometimes circumstances dictate our options.
Ooooo.... what I would give to see a good throw down.
I have done both, WAHM and WOHM. I must say I felt more stressed out and worked longer hours as a WAHM. There are so many distractions and it is hard to find time to do your job properly when being a WAHM. Currently I am a WOHM - but in a very flexible work environment.
Amen sister.
I feel like I"ve got the best of both worlds (get OUT of my head Hannah Montana) - I work outside of the home 3 days a week and spend the other 4 days with my 4 year old.
Both WAHM's and WOHM's have my complete respect because I wouldn't want to do EITHER of them 7 days/week. My balance works perfectly for me and I'm so grateful!!
I think a lot of the animosity comes from the point of view from mothers (like myself) who don't have the OPTION to work at home.
I have two full time jobs, and the time can never overlap. It really sucks.
I can tell you honestly that I would give anything to work outside the home less, and spend more time with a more time-flexible work schedule. I don't HAVE a work/home balance.
And I could write BUCKETS about the fact that I think there's something wrong with a society where people get pushed into paying others to raise their children so they can work to pay for others to raise their children.
My situation is that of a single mother without financial support, so there are a fundamental number of hours I need to work away from my son just to keep my head above water, and that number is 40.
All of that is not to say that I don't respect what you do as "real work" because I think it certainly is. And since I can honestly say that I'm jealous of WAHMs, I think a lot of the drama is just envy of a more flexible life.
For me, working full time outside the home (I've done both) takes a lot more out of me than working from home. A LOT.
I think if moms, as a rule, would stop looking outside of themselves for validation, life would be much better. There are so many things I did wrong while raising my daughters. And there were a million things I did right. And you know what? No matter if I was a WOHM, WAHM, SAHM or GLBT (HAH!) that would still be the same. The things right and wrong would probably be different in each scenario, but the need for therapy my daughters have would probably be the same.
We moms need to just support each other in being the absolute best parents we can be, no matter the circumstances or the individual choices that are made. Because if all this energy being used to tear each other down could be spent building each other up, well, can you imagine how wonderful it would be???
I just want to say that I would never tell another woman that HER particular situation was "A F-ing joke." Because I respect what other woman have to do for their families, whether or not it's "harder" than what I have to do.
I hate these kinds of pissing contests. Seriously, women. STOP IT.
To clarify, by two full-time jobs I meant my "work" and my "mothering."
Well, you almost had me, until the last third of your article, when you said that your husband picked up several hours per week of "babysitting" so that you could finish up work projects. Um, sorry, it's not "babysitting" if it's your own kid!
I'll admit I haven't read all of the posts on this issue, I have only stumbled upon ones that are simply talking about how different the two perspectives are and how important ALL Mom's voices are. I'd like to stay in my bubble b/c in my bubble all Moms are getting along! ;)
My fear is that the people who write those entries, the ones that are not attacking, that are just adding to the conversation, those women will be scared to write because they get grouped on one side or another of the non-existent war. We all want to defend ourselves but if we make women feel like just talking about it forces them on some sort of "side", then no one will talk about it.
(And here is where I defend myself), I found a link to my entry in the fray and I hope my post doesn't put me in any sort of group of Moms Who Hate WAHMs. I never said that in article, I was just (like you said) wishing to hear voices like mine in the Momversation. I have always said that I work outside my home because I tried working from home and failed MISERABLY. For me? Way too hard. But many of my friends say the opposite is true for them.
OMG. I just wrote an entire blog entry in your comments. I'm so sorry.
What?
What good comes of telling someone else that whatever they are doing, whether it is working from home or outside the home or foregoing a career altogether while the kids are young, is any form of any joke, cuss words used or not? What was the point of it supposed to be? Was it supposed to bring us together? Or was it supposed to make all of us who work from home say, "Oh, I'm sorry. You're right. Do you want a cookie or a medal?"
I worked in the newsroom for another eight months after my oldest was born. I thought coming home and editing would be an easier, more-rounded option. More-rounded, maybe, as I couldn't keep up with laundry when I was outside the home and we NEVER had time to go to the park due to my twelve hour days, six days a week. But easier? No. Just completely different. I didn't have to make peanut butter and jelly cracker snacks while trying to have a conference call when I worked outside the home. But I did have to do things that were a bit more high stress when I worked in the news room.
For me, it's been six one way and a half dozen the other. I've traded some challenges (petty news room antics) for others (I miss adults and managing other writers is sometimes ... INSANE). I struggle with the realities that work at home work isn't as reliable as in the office work (though, with the economy doing what it is... that's probably not the case either anymore).
When I left the newsroom, I was making 1/4 of my old salary. We cut out everything that wasn't necessary. We just paid our mortgage, student loans, electric, trash and water. We bought groceries on sale and in bulk. And then the promotions started rolling in. I now make twice what I made in the newsroom. Which, of course, is why I always boggle when people tell me that they can't do it.
But if someone wants to tell me that my job is a joke, they can go ahead and pay me my salary. I work hard, long hours for that paycheck so excuse me if I laugh all the way to the bank.
(Thank you, Lindsay, for giving voice. I don't often talk about working from home on my own blog(s) as my boss(es) are aware of my blog(s) and I don't want to risk being fired for ranting.)
I'm throwing my comment in the mix.I'm not a mom yet, but I will be by the end of the year. All of these issues swirl around in my head. I will say that this debate over working, not working, how you work is silly. Why attack someone else's choices? Certainly all of yours are not perfect (she said pointing to those mom jeans sitting just below your bra line).
At my job I was the only one of 3 with kids. I heard about it CONSTANTLY from my boss whenever I had to take off for anything at all. My mother had to take time off her job too to help out whenever my kids were sick because my husband gets 5 days off a year. Total. You don't sound like you have any idea what kind of stress is involved in knowing you could lose your income and benefits just because you need to be somewhere with your kids.
Seriously--if you think you escaping the house to go to Starbucks and write, and another woman escaping the house to rush off to WORK is the same thing at all, you need your head examined.
I'm not saying working at home is easy at all, but it is a completely different animal and the two can't really be compared.
Thank you so much for writing this! I've done the office thing and currently telacommute/work at home. And working from home is hands down more difficult. I do activities with the kids during the day and write and edit and research for my paying job and my nonpaying blog during every nap and well into night. My husband is alone with them way more than when I had set hours. I started working from home when my second child was born because the cost of daycare for two was breaking us (but I still make too much to quit). Now they just go two days a week and I multitask the other five. I know I have coworkers who think I have it all cushy getting to work in my bunny slippers, which just couldn't be further from the truth. Fortunately, my manager (a modern dad, much like my husband) gets it and is very supportive. Ah, did I mention THANK YOU for writing this?
It also depends on how old your kids are. Sure, if you have 3 kids under 3, working at home is hectic. But in a few years, when they're gone 7 hours a day, notsomuch.
I am so very tired of these little boxes. What I do (working from home) is not a f-ing joke, that's for sure. I think you might have missed the point that Sam is doing both WAHM and WOHM at the same time. She's burning the candle at both ends because eventually, she wants to be at home. I guess if you add an outside job to an already entrepreneurial women's life where she is running a business from home, then ya, working from home without the outside job would look like a f-ing joke in her rear view mirror. And perhaps she should have wrote it that way. I look at what you do Lindsay, and I know I couldn't do it.
All motherhood situations have their challenges, that's for certain. I just wish we all could be more supportive of each other, yanno?
I know why the comment was made about Starbucks. I can guarantee you that the office/cube worker would MUCH rather hang out at Starbucks in their own choice of clothes, relaxed in a nice, soft, cushiony chair-bench, writing interesting/humorous/snarky things than be sitting in a cubicle with people you pretend to like, wearing corporate-mandated business casual or business professional clothing, being told what to do by a middle manager boss that doesn't really even know what you do there as it is, just waiting for pay day.
You do sacrifice pay for convenience, though. You mentioned you worked a couple of hours a day at Starbucks. We "work" a required 8 hours a day in which we cannot go home or see kids, and we do it out of necessity. I am currently the only one working full-time in my house, as my wife recently graduated college and can't get a job because we'll be moving by the end of the year (as well as the economic situation not allowing her to get a job).
I would love to have a position with telecommuting capabilities (we've tried, but the company won't allow it), or a position where I had the flexibility to work outside somewhere else, but for the majority of us, it's a pipe dream.
I hate that I had to skim this post, because I really agree with it! And I'd love to read the comments, too, but I've got a deadline to meet before my daughter wakes up from her nap, and I'm not sure I can meet it in the few hours she's asleep tonight.;)
Good comment, Cube Farmer. WAHMoms have it super easy, comparitively.
Amy Lynn, since you don't have children, how would you know what goes on either way? And why do you keep arguing with all these parents? I'm just curious.
Well said, Lindsay. And well-written. Which means time, thought, effort and care. You don't churn out junk, that's for sure... and your appreciative readers have your back.
I am just beginning to consider WAHM-hood, and am feeling overwhelmed. The needs of a household of 6, with 4 young children are constant. Carving out time to produce quality work? A challenge.
You do a fine job.
I have been in all three elements, I stayed at home with my daughter, I worked at home when she got older, and now that I have son, I work outside of the home. They are ALL hard because you are constantly wondering if you are doing enough, giving enough, providing enough, regardless of where you work, it is just that - work. I wish women would drop the mommy wars and realize that by writing snarky comments we are only tearing eachother down when we need to be supporting eachother. As a mom you need to do what is best for YOUR OWN family. One thing that kind of bothered me about this entry (please don't get mad, I do LOVE what you do and in general think you are seriously talented, whitty, and smart.) was when you said your husband has to "babysit" -- if the kid is from your DNA it is not babysitting, it is called being a parent. Sorry that is a huge pet peeve for me...
I've been wondering the same thing about Amy Lynn. As the saying goes, Amy, you don't have a dog in this fight. If you think your mom had it tough, yes, she did! You win! Single moms have it the worst, for sure! So why pick on other moms who also have challenges?
I wonder what this fight, more broadly speaking, is "really" about. I'm guessing that a lot of people are angry because they are in dead end, demanding jobs that they can't get out of for financial reasons. If that's true, yes, that sucks, you win! Your life sucks!
So let's blame the real culprits, the American capitalist system that forces both parents to work outside the home so that families can have basic goods (did you know that SAHM moms in France draw a SALARY from the GOVERNMENT?). But for Pete's sake don't blame other working moms!
When will we ever get past this? When will it end? The comparing and judging-- I work more or harder than you do because my job looks like this or that or I have more children than you or travel more....
I'm so tired of reading it. And I'm a little astonished that woman actually argue about this stuff. Really?!
I couldn't care less if you work or don't-- be it at home or outside of it. Why does this matter in the grand scheme of things? Can't we just support each others decisions as women?
It sounds like this person may be a bit unhappy with her situation-- that's the only explanation I can think of. People tend to put down and judge others in the exact areas they are unsatisfied with in their own lives.
It is obvious from reading your blog that while you live a very busy & full life, you are very happy. That is all that matters.
You are certainly taking some punches in recent days. Keep on keeping on!
I'm just saying.
Disclaimer: I am not a mom.
I have two jobs outside of the home.
When I come home from my first job, I wash the dishes, vacuum the floor, fold/wash laundry, change my clothes and head to job #2. It sucks, but I am not able to make money from home. I'm not a fabulous writer, and there are no telecommuting jobs where I live.
While I haven't read the Samantha article, I have to say that it really burns my noodle when a woman tells me how hard she worked cleaning the damn house and taking care of the kids, because (if I had kids), I'd be doing the same damn things on TOP of working outside the home! And what REALLY gets to me is the looks I get when I admit that I only do laundry once a week, and that my husband doesn't have his lunches made, and I haven't dusted - EVER. Because I don't have time. I'm never home. As much as women who stay at home are judged, so are women who work outside the home. As one who works more than 70 hours a week - I feel like I deserve to be cut a little slack.
Just like you do.
Working at home would be even more of a challenge for me than my current job of working in an office. I'm pretty easily distracted, and being "at work" and having hard deadlines is definitely best for me. Left to my own devices, I put things off until the last minute, then slam like crazy to get everything done. Now, I can see my son onto the school bus, go to work, get home shortly after he does (he's old enough to spend an hour at home by himself), AND leave my work at the office and have the evening to spend with him and his dad (and the pets and dinner and laundry, etc.).
That having been said, I have to say something about this line:
"In my house, that means that my husband picks up between two and four hours of babysitting a week on evenings and weekends, so that I can get my work done."
Please don't take offense; I see and hear this phrase used all the time, and it's just a pet peeve of mine when people talk about dads "babysitting." Babysitting is something you pay someone, or get an older sibling to do. But when a dad does it, it's called "parenting," even if he does have job that keeps him out of the house all day!
Also, I love how people assume that WAHMs or SAHMs have no idea what the office place is like. As if we didn't all have WOH jobs before we became moms.
I can tell you for all the comfort of my own clothes and an iced coffee at Starbucks, there's also the knowledge that I have to do NOTHING but work during that time. No time for chitchats with coworkers. No time for stopping to read e-mails or read blogs. No time for phone calls. Do you know how I know all that goes on at the office during eight hours of "work?" Because I worked in several different offices from the time I graduated from college until I had children. One thing I loved about freelance writing from the getgo was that I was able to accomplish in four hours what it took me eight hours to do at work, with all its distractions.
So the idea that I'm lazing around at Starbucks, and that the writing is all easy breezy, is actually laughable. I love my job. It's not easy.
And Zoot, I read your post and didn't find anything offensive about it. So don't worry about that. :)
I'll change the babysitting term. I actually had put that word in at the very last moment, only to differentiate it from the time he spends with them voluntarily, which is actually the bulk of his time off. It's just a lot harder when the other parent leaves!
"There are so many variables. Do you hate what you do? Are you a single mom? Are you in debt? Does your husband abuse you? Then you're going to have a harder time doing your work, no matter what you're doing or where you go to do it."
Exactly. I've had WOH jobs that were a walk in the park compared to my current situation. And I've had months where WAH is easy and breezy by comparison to my WOH days. Nobody can take their own unique situation and apply it to a whole group of people.
And, like I mentioned at Samantha's blog, when did it become a "who has it harder" contest anyway?
Hi Lindsay, sounds like it's a similar atmosphere over there as it is here. You should see the stuff in Alpha Mummy recently, it has to be read to be believed, although the really shocking stuff is what is written in their comments box. If you want a shortcut (and an overview of how I managed to get myself embroiled in this from a stay at home mum point of view) check the link below - it will give you a link to my original post, the original article that made me write it, and the Alpha Mummy manipulation of what I said. But only if you're prepared to get a little mad...
http://potty-diaries.blogspot.com/2009/06/hope-springs-eternal.html
I must second your "Amy Lynn, since you don't have children, how would you know what goes on either way? And why do you keep arguing with all these parents? I'm just curious."
I've always wanted to stay at home with my kids when I have them. My mom did it, and it was wonderful. But now that I'm working and we're getting by only because of our two incomes, I don't know how anybody does it. If my company offered me a part-time option or a work-from-home option, or even a work-from-home-some-of-the-time option, I would be thrilled to take them up on it, but I'm convinced that it would be harder to get work done that way.
For now, we'll just try to keep from having kids for a while, save a bunch of money, and maybe someday I can be one of those "lazy" SAHMs that just "lay around" all day. ;-)
Because I don't live in a vaccuum. There are moms who work at my office, and they sure as hell aren't sitting at Starbuck's with their laptops!
I feel your pain. I don't have kids but I do run a business from my home-- And 99% of the people out there think my "home job" is a joke, fluff, hobby or total and complete crap. They think I "live off my husband", a trust fund or the kindness of strangers. Ha! I work my ass off and I know you do too. I am so sick and tired of out of the house workers dismissing at home workers as irrelevant.
Phew, I feel better.
These two quotes were included in one comment by Samantha on her own blog. (Emphasis added by me.)
1. "I will be the first to admit that part of my sensitivity to the issue is that I would give anything to be the primary caregiver for my children. I would love to WAHM regularly and not have that $1840 a month daycare bill as well as the insurmountable guilt of leaving my children to be raised by someone else."
2. "To buy the new house we’re currently looking for as well as my electrolux beauties, I have to have a steady income reported."
There's the dissonance. In one comment she claims that she would do anything to be the primary caregiver for her children, and that she has to have a job so that she can have the stuff she wants. So no, obviously she wouldn't give anything to be the primary caregiver for her children, as much as she'd like to convince herself (and her readers) that that's the case.
This is so clearly about her issues and not about you, Lindsey, or any other WAHM.
I work from home (I'm not a parent) and I work between 40 and 50 hours per week - doesn't matter what hours but I work a typical 8 hour shift daily. However, that comes with the expectation that I will be available 24 x 7 in case an urgent issue comes up - nights, weekends, holidays, etc. Anyone implying that having a work from home job isn't a 'real' job has obviously never had one!
I haven't read all the comments because I just want to say my piece without input.
I've had my work called 'a hobby.' I've had people ask if I'm getting enough done and when I say 'no' they've said, 'Well that's your own fault.'
I'm working before my kids wake up, and I'm working on weekends. I'm always working because I am my work.
Only non-writers think that writing isn't work.
And I wonder what the WOHMs would do without the WAHMs to cover for them occasionally with child care, picking up a package or grabbing their kid from school if they're sick.
I've actually started saying, "No, sorry, I'm working."
As a someone who has been a SAHM, WAHM and WOHM, I am inclined to agree that being a WAHM is in many ways easier than being a WOHM. This is just my take, based on my experiences and work habits. I think most people who work outside the home would enjoy the ability to do a day's work in 4 hours because they don't have to deal with the office rig-a-ma-roll of polite chit chat, mandatory meetings, etc, that suck up large portions of a standard 8 hour day at the office. And there is definitely something to be said about being able to do my work without the hassle of every day grooming that working outside the home entails (i.e. ironing clothes, putting on make up, blowing out hair). I feel fortunate for the opportunity and am not offended when those who do not have the option to telecommute assume my job is easier. As long as I am happy (and my boss!), then it really does not matter to me how much or how little anyone else presumes that I work.
I have to say that I read Zoot's article first, which I thought was quite well done. And I think really, the issue is that the momversation video didn't include thoughts from WOHMoms, which you yourself mentioned.
I think you made some good points. As a WOHM, I initially approached this from that perspective, and there were some posters who, having done both, said that WAHM was easier, and a few that went the other way. I agree that saying it's an effing joke would upset me, as well, if that was my job.
In the end, honestly, I don't the eff care. I'm lucky that I love my job working in an inner-city school. Now that's it's summer, I miss my students terribly. It's
I guess it all comes down to what Sherry posted over at Samantha's blog
"The fucking joke is not what WAHMs do. The fucking joke is not what WOHMs do. The fucking joke is not what SAHMs do. The fucking joke is that yet again the non-parent portion of the internet can have a good laugh at how stupid the moms all are, whining and bitching and pointing fingers. AGAIN."
Word up, Sherry.
I can't believe we are still HERE. Still berating each other and our situations and I'm better than you because I do this and you do that.
Really - why can't people realize that we ALL have "situations" and we are ALL trying to come out ahead.
For me? That may mean I work outside the home. For you? You work at home.
If our children are taken care of - does it really matter.
AND since when do we call each others jobs f**king jokes? WTF?!?!?!
Amy Lynn; I'd watch it. Parenting karma is a bitch. I know that I once judged a mom for some of her decisions... and I felt the shame of that when it came around and smacked me in the face.
Yikes ladies! While we're here peeing against the wind, our kids are waiting patiently for us to just do whatever it takes to get the job done. And loving us no matter what that job looks like.
I'm not judging anyone, sorry if it came off that way. And not in a situation to ever have kids.
The problem, I think, is that most women simply cannot relate to the Momversation panelists.
I'm a newspaper reporter. In the past year, my salary has been frozen, my pay cut (oh, furlough, how I loathe thee) and yet another round of layoffs appears likely. Daycare tuition just increased. My husband's pay also was cut. (He is a photographer at the same newspaper.)
So when I listen to these women talk of "stress" — well, most of what they're describing just doesn't resonate with me. And, given the recession, I'm betting this particular Momversation didn't sit well with a lot of working mothers — whether they leave the house for a job or struggle to make a living at home.
The issue isn't who faces the most challenges.
The issue is Momversation's inability to put together a panel of real moms who represent the majority of us struggling to get by during difficult times.
Amy Lynn, I am not a mother either, and I work a 40+ hour/week job--usually in a cube farm. That cube farm ran out of room so we were allowed to work from home for a few months. It is, in no way, easier. I cannot imagine trying to do that while raising a child. Sure, I got a lot of my work done at a coffee shop. But that work was just as quality as it is in the flourescent lit, stale air office that I now spend most of my time in. More and more companies are allowing their workers to telecommute. If you think working from home is some kind of luxury reserved for those who have no worries then I urge you to give it a whirl and report back.
I cannot imagine why you would speak so ill about something you no little or nothing about. No one knows about motherhood until they are actually a mother (myself included).
Peace,
jamesela
Is it any wonder that we women don't hold more power in the world? We constantly hold each other down so that we feel better about ourselves. We have a compulsive need to compare ourselves to other women and allow our fear of being "less than" dictate our life choices.
Other than a few kick-ass women, all my friends are guys. My guy friends don't care if I work inside or outside the home, bottle fed or breastfed, put 70+ sunscreen on my kids,or feed them non-organic hot dogs. All they care about is that I'm a kind, decent person who's fun to be around and can be counted on no matter what.
I am done with all the "mama drama." I answer to God and my family...and nobody else.
Trish
Trish, the funny thing is that guys get into it online just as much as women do. And generally, I find that they're meaner.
I rarely comment on blogs (or read them for that matter), b/c I don't have time - being a WAHM. But I had to comment here. I think you are RIGHT ON Lindsey with that fact that there are pros and cons of both. You get to eat lunch with your kids when you work from home, but you do it on your feet, getting them food the entire time, whereas when you work, you don't get to see your kids at lunch, but you get to focus on your lunch and sit while you eat it. :)
I've found that when someone starts spewing hateful comments of judgement about whether someone is a SAHM, WAHM OR WOHM, it comes from thier own issues and they are rarely completely logical. That also goes for any time anyone uses the term "f@#$ing joke" in reference to what someone else is doing.
I agree with Mary Beth (whom I happen to have gone to high school with :)). Often (not always) it's about choices. I know a family that raised 6 kids on $35K/yr for a while. She was a SAHM and they made MANY sacrifices to do that.
Anyway, I gotta get to work! :)
Samantha's article was completely asinine. I'm very close to looking for a throw-down. I couldn't even finish the article because I was feeling so flushed.
The fact is, no two jobs are the same. Some might be tougher than others depending on various circumstances. One should not make blanket statements comparing all WOHMs to all WAHMs. It's ridiculous. The reality is, most women work pretty hard and deserve a nice pat on the back and something delicious from Starbuck's. We need to support and encourage each other, not tear one another down.
And Samantha (if you're reading), my day is so busy taking care of my home, children, husband; homeschooling; and support my husband's ministries that I can't get to my freelance work until after everyone else is asleep. So quite frequently while my family sleeps, I work (typically from around 11:00 p.m. to anywhere from 3:00 to 5:00 a.m.). Then I'm up by 8:00 to start it all over. I doubt you work harder than I do. But kudos for being a hard-working woman. Just don't forget that you're not the only one.
I rarely comment on blogs and don't think I've ever commented here. I am a WOHM and the thing that is annoying is the fact that in the comments WAHM are saying that they have to find time to work while they are cooking and cleaning and taking care of the household and children. WOHM have to do the exact same thing, I am away from my children most of the day. I have to work, we live in a big city and therefore MUST send our children to a catholic school and my husband is in a "niche" job and can only make so much money a year. When I get home I still have to cook, clean, do the laundry and spend some time with my children. I am not saying that WAHMs have it easy per se but I honestly don't think a lot of them realize just how HARD it is to juggle a full time out of the house job with being a good parent/wife and still keeping a realively neat home. Add in a husband who works shift work and is only home at night 1 week out of the month and it's even harder
I work outside of the house part-time and I write (not for much money, but fingers crossed).
Going to the office is a lot less stressful for me.
I know my daughter's in daycare and being cared for and having fun with other kids.
When I am home, I feel so guilty if I'm "working" and she's asking me to play Tinkerbell for the tenth time that day.
As I write this she's screaming "mommy, I want a cookie". That doesn't happen when I'm in the office!
Coma Girl, and yet, she's being "watched" by people who are not her parent.
I hadn't read her post until you linked to it and, well, BIG FAT SIGH.
I am self-employed and pull crazy hours with no benefits whatsoever. I went back to an office for tax season and IT WAS SO GREAT.
So much so, that I'm hoping to go back in the fall so that I can have structure, work/life separation and all of that.
I've been on both sides and (FOR ME) working out of the home is so much easier.
I read the comments on her post and was thoroughly disappointed in how it all played out.
Women complain all the time about "not being equal" and blah, blah, blah.
We'll never be respected as much as men are if we don't stop attacking each other.
I mentioned in my comment too, that the 'f*&@ing joke' thing is a bit strong. I posted two comments there. The first was to say that while I don't agree with the way she put things and I think both version of working moms have their challenges, I guess I agree with the general sentiment - because I assumed that the general sentiment was that it's unfair to make a video about working moms and only feature WAHMs, and that being a WOHM offers less flexibility and less time with the kids.
I assumed the strong wording, which I found kind of demeaning of WAHM and SAHM moms alike, was due to Sam being mad, and frustrated. But then I realized I was being patronizing, assuming I knew what she was feeling when she wrote that post, and I found myself wondering if my assumptions were totally off - so I posted a second comment asking if she was really mad or if she really thought that.
I think it would be nice if every now and then we weren't finding faults in someone's way of expressing themselves, or in someone's ideas, or in someone's way of life. Who cares? What happened to "Live and let live"? Do we need to be all the same, think the same way, behave the same way, dress the same way before we can learn to respect each other and not keep finding reasons to get mad in other people's behavior? Wouldn't a world where we were all the same be boring as heck?
Seriously, why is it okay for women to tear each other up all the time?
been a while since i commented here. i hear you sister.
i work in office until 2 pm and then from home. the difference is amazing. i get so much more peace in office (while my colleagues play scrabble online) that i get a lot more work done compared to being home and demands for juice and refereeing fights between my two children.
the issue really is work life balance. WAHMs have a different balance (if you can call it one!) because there are no off days. you're always a mommy and always employed. i work many sundays.
i know there are plenty of WOHMs who HAVE to struggle full days to put food on the table. my heart goes out to them.
on the other hand there are those who openly say they need a new electrolux. hell, then they've made their work life balance and choice clear. whats to whine about?
Amy Lynn, whose blog is this, anyway? I think ten comments is more than enough. You're done.
My only comment is that I think it is not quite right to refer to men who are taking care of their own children as "babysitting". I think we've all called it that but really it is not fair to ALL moms (stay at home or not) to say that the dads who are watching the kids are babysitting when in reality they are spending time with their own children.
So, if a person enjoys what they do for a living- is it a "hobby"? That's news to me!
The vitriol all stems from insecurity and women questioning whether they are making the right decisions for their families and it manifests itself with these defensive, snide, attacks.
I have said it before and I will say it again... we ALL.HAVE.CHOICES. I CHOSE to never have my kids in daycare... at first, I accomplished this by managing apartments... once that stopped working for us- I simply stayed home and made due. Our car is a 93 Taurus, we don't eat out or buy clothes that are not on clearance, I volunteer for the athletic clubs so that my kids can participate for free or at a reduced rate etc... you get the idea. It is all about choices. I choose not to need Electrolux anything, for example. Of course, these are the choices of a married woman with a supportive hubby... results may vary-
Are my choices easier or harder? It isn't for ANYBODY to say, so let's get off of our respective high horses and quit trying to justify our own choices by tearing down those of others.
OK, I'll say basically the same thing here that I said to Sam. It's not that it's harder to work at home or to work outside the home, it depends on the woman's situation. It seems most of these women (on either side) have a CHOICE.
The woman who has it rough is the woman who has NO options.
I'd like to add a little more to the "babysitting" tangent...
What I come away from a LOT of mommyblog posts with, and such Momversation videos, is the question: Where is your husband?!? I think that a lot of this resentment and argument stems from the fact that women are still - STILL - generally expected to be the ones who are in charge of raising the children, cooking the food, cleaning the house, etc. Regardless of whether they are working for pay, inside or outside their homes.
Working fathers don't feel guilty. There IS no "Working Father" magazine. You don't see "Dadversations." And you're not the first woman to refer to a man as "babysitting" his own children. Why is that?
What I wish women could spend a bit more time doing, is finding a way to equalize these expectations. If you're working outside the home, and still coming home and doing the "second shift," then something is wrong. Maybe women spend so much time arguing because they're TIRED. :) (In fact... that is probably a lot of it!)
I will inevitably see an "oh, my husband does a LOT" defense if I point this out. But we don't hear about that in the mommyblogs, either. Although I do suppose that's mostly because of who the authors are. Just pondering.
My wife once used the term "babysitting" in regards to me having the kids by myself.
Once.
Biggest fight we ever had.
Advice: Please don't ever use that term in that context in a conversation with your husband - it tells him you don't view him as an equal when it comes to parenting.
As for the other stuff - I do 8-9 hrs a day OH, about 4-5 in paid blogging AH, another 4 in cooking, housework, and half of what is left of "child care" (at 11 and 12, you pretty much "referee" more than "care" though).
And I love (almost) every minute of all of it.
Yeah, I want a cookie. :)
No kids but I worked from home for almost two years. And those two years were the worst two years of my life. Sure, I could run to the grocery, run errands, etc. but the reality was I couldn't leave my work there at 5pm daily. My boss would call at all times of the day and night, it didn't matter if it was the weekend or not. I had no life when working at home. I had conference calls, deadlines, UPS packets I had to gather, organize and ship out.
And the kicker was it didn't matter if I worked 1000 hours a week, it wasn't good enough because I worked at home. My boss thought since I didn't have a commute, didn't need to shower and get ready for work and could have the tv on in the background that I should just do it all the time. That was how she worked, so she expected the same from everyone else.
None of the situations are easy and the fact that someone has to sit there and point fingers, trying with all of their might to get the poor me card waived at them? Please. . . I work with people like that and it seems they enjoy the martyr lifestyle.
And I read the other blogger's post. Really, you need that new house and the Electrolux products???? Apparently material things are what drive her to WOH.
A good friend has two children, owns two businesses (one they run from their home and the other is a new pizza franchise back home). You manage and you do whatever you need to do to ensure that your kids needs are met as well as yours.
Amy Lynn--I am sorry but I have yet to see a post by you that adds value to the debate. Mine not add that much but I do understand the pros and cons of WAH and to be honest, I don't think I want to do that again.
I was a full-time freelancer writer before I had a child and could barely make ends meet. It's a tough business to make any money, especially if you're not in NYC or LA. The fact that you are making a living - basically by building your own business and your own brand through your writing - is to be commended. And to do that while homeschooling and raising to small ones is phenomenal! I work full-time out of the home and that is what works for us. I have no illusions about how "easy" it would be to stay home and write, with or without a child. I think some moms want to believe others have it easier, but the reality is, it's tough for all moms and we have to do what is best for our families.
All right, not only did I change the "babysitting" term, but I also said in a prior comment that I had added it at the last moment to differentiate, in my mind, between the time he spends with them voluntarily and the time we agree that he will be in charge while I work.
The point is moot as far as I'm concerned, because I seriously married one of the most devoted dads in the entire world. And anyone who knows him would back me up on that. He spends literally all of his free time with his family. And by the way, my stepdaughters babysit their little brother and sister all the time. What should I call that? Sistering? ;)
I'm a WOHM and I have a friend who is a SAHM (I have no WAHM friends) and I can tell you WITHOUT a doubt that my life is easier than hers, no doubt in my mind.
Now, maybe if my kids were older, yeah, being a WAHM might be more cool, but not when you have a 2 year old and a 6 year old. :)
Making an issue out of who works harder is ridiculous because it's all relative. It boils down to how good your kids are, how hard your "work" is, how organized you are and how well you are at managing your time. Two women can be immersed in the same role and one can do great with it and one horribly. I don't see what there is to argue about. :)
Sigh! Why do we keep ending up here.
It is so frustrating. No matter what a choice a family makes, it has its positives and negatives. I am not naive, but I like to think that all families make the in home, out of home choices with their families best interests in mind. What comes easily to one family may be very difficult for another.
I seem to have been in every role. When they were little, I stayed home. Then I worked part time, and then full time, outside the home. They went to child care, my husband stayed home full time, and now works part time, I work full time. He gets them after school. Sometimes it is easy, sometimes it is hard.
I think that from the outside, looking in, it is hard to judge other people, so why try?
And seriously, it is never a f'n joke. Never. Ever.
I've worked hard to get to the point where I "get" to escape to work. I love my job but I pursued a graduate degree for this very fact. I planned 9 years to have the chance to do what I love.
So yes, I love my job. I F#$%^G love my job, even. But it's not a F$%^&*G joke.
And, for the record, I choose to leave the house because I actually get work done. Because, for me, it's easier to work outside the house. So I'm a "WOHM"? Or am I not because I COULD work at home? It's all just too blurry to fight about anymore. MY BRAIN.
Where's my vodka?
I work from home so I don't become the bitter, obnoxious type of person that other author has become. I'm sorry she's so miserable, but that doesn't give her the authority to be so condescending to those who choose/are lucky enough to work at home.
I have been both a WOHM and a SAHM and neither are easy. I'm not sure why women constantly have to berate each other for the choices they make for their families. My husband travels 3 out of 4 weeks a month. So yes I am a SAHM but I also am entirely responsible for my children during the week. Also, we live away from family, so I don't have them to rely on. If someone is sick or hurt I need to respond. I am the one who has to help with homework, drive to activities, break up arguments, do laundry, dishes, dinner, and cleaning, mowing, oil changes, etc. So do I feel envious of wohm's who get to talk to other adults and have spouses to help when they get home - yes. Am I envious of other SAHM's who have a spouse come home in the evening - yes. But, I realize I am lucky to be able to be a SAHM whether my husband travels or not. It doesn't matter what our situation is, no mom has it entirely easy. We all have never ending jobs that are difficult to do day in and day out. I think we would all be much happier if we would remember that and quit whining and judging other moms!
I agree. I'm a work at home mom and it's not easy. I'm grateful to be able to work around my family's schedule, but it comes with its own price tag. As I wrote on the mentioned post..."you are not the judge regarding who the REAL working moms are/who has it the hardest. Every mom works (whether they are stay at home moms/work at home moms/work outside of the home moms) and every mom's situation is unique. I think that when moms are secure in the choices that they have made for their own family, they don't feel the need to belittle the choices of others."
I love what Fay said about dads. I know that my husband isn't going to do more work around the house or in the childcare category if I work outside of the house (I remember scheduling childcare and missing things in the begining because the baby was sick). He isn't guilty, nor do I think he has a second thought about it. This is why I choose to stay at home while my kids are pre school age. While in elementry school I plan to work part time and then full time when my youngst enters middle school. I don't "love" my former career (paperpusher) nor will I be saving lives or changing the world by working so I selfishly stay home. (and love it!)
I'm on call 24 ours per day, 7 days per week. Yep, I work from home 25 hours per week but I'm available all the time. I think the struggle that people who haven't done this don't understand is this: no matter what you are doing you should always be doing doing something else. When you are working, you should be taking care of the kids, when you are with the kids the laundry pile is growing and the boss is waiting. Is it worth the trade off ? Obviously or we wouldn't be doing it. BUT keep in mind that we're doing this so we can be everything for everyone else, not so we can hang out at Starbucks. I have no free time. If you think it's so easy, can I come to your cubicle for a day where I'm expected to do one thing...work. Then go to your house where I can forget about work? I'm kind of jealous your horrendous commute. I'd kill for that kind of alone time :-)
I work in an office, which many days makes my kids look intelligent and I'd rather be with them. But life did not work out that way and my company is very pro no working at home for what I do.
Work/Life Balance is a lie. No decision is easy to make and it all comes with pluses AND minuses.
I applaude all moms, no matter what their work arrangements are. I wish moms/women would stop attacking each other that their arrangement is perfect/wrong.
One word can describe how they feel - JEALOUS!!! Having been in both worlds - I actually think working from home is harder - constant interruptions from kids (and spouses) who don't understand what you are doing is actually a real "job"!
Still waiting to hear about the "stealer" from last week . . .
Take care!
I have skimmed the comments, and read the blog post here as well the one referenced...
Here is my main question... Who cares who's job is harder? Why does it matter if Jane 1 works harder than Jane 2? She may work harder by choice, or by need. Does she need a pity party or recognition for working hard? I don't currently work hard at all. But I HAVE worked incredibly hard. Does it matter? NO.
If your priority is a career, then it's a career... if it's your family, then it's your family. If you have no choice, then you just have no choice. Why such nasty comments and lack of support.
How can you judge when you don't truly know? Everyone's circumstances are different. No two people have the exact same life situation. Can't we be a little less hurtful and "judgey" in our comments???
It's so difficult to walk in another person's shoes. I have done both the WAHM and WOHM. Both have there own pros and cons. As a single Mom its even more difficult because there is no other back up at home when I was working from home my son's first 6 months. There were occasions that he would lay on my desk and I would type over his body to meet a deadline or print dozens of emails at 3am while he was eating in order to stay caught up. Would I like to be a SAHM and not have to work ...sure but that isn't going to happen so I deal with what I have and go from there.
I have done both (WOHM and WAHM). Both have stresses, outside of the purely work/deadline/do-we-have-enough-money-to-pay-the-mortgage stresses, but these "other" stresses are different ...
WAHM are primarily self-driven stresses (if that makes sense). Taking on the household/childcare tasks in addition to your work. How to fit it all in, working late at night/during naps/weekends.
While the WOHM are primarily outside-induced stresses ... your boss, your co-workers, noticing if you are late/not at your desk/leaving early to pick up a sick kid/etc. In addition to the need to shower/dress up/look presentable/commute.
To be totally honest ... I find the WOHM stresses to be more stressful. Much. Just the time wasted from needing to shower/make myself presentable/commute every day -- that alone cuts into my sanity. Plus it is much harder to squeeze in basic household tasks like laundry, dishes, shopping when in an office all day. If I am working at home, I can throw a load of laundry in and keep on going. Not so much at the office.
Of course, a WAH job, if done professionally, has professional stresses. You need to do a good job, satisfy your clients/bosses, etc. But in my experience it just doesn't rise to the level of WOH.
I commented at Sam's post, and I was supportive. Then, I started to think about my own situation a little more.
I am a WAHM and I have two gigs. I am also starting my own web business with a partner. I probably work 20 hours a week - most of that without the aid of any kind of daycare/sitting.
And you know what? trying to write a witty, fresh essay on ANYTHING while sitting on the toilet with your laptop while your kids bang on the door is HELL.
Because on the pot? Is the only time I can think.
We ALL have it hard, and you're right, the variables are what change for every situation.
Super post, Lindsay.
To me it's not about whether you are a WAHM, WOHM or SAHM. To me the most important thing is that you are an M - a mom. We're Ms, ALL our jobs are hard.
Yep, I tried to leave a couple of comments and give that horse a decent burial, but I may as well have saved the typing.
No one heard that if we don't cover something it's because the conversation didn't flow that way across all panelists (it has to be a cohesive conversation, so you go with the common threads), or because the intention is to provide a jumping off point for everyone else to discuss. YOU are the momversationalists, not us. We just bring up topics. The real conversations happen after people see the video.
Honestly, if something is not addressed it is not because we are against it. I totally would have given an earful from the WOHM perspective but I wasn't asked to be on that panel. I've been in a lot of episodes and they have to balance it out.
Anyway, I ranted today for next week's episode about NOT being divisive - we're all on the same team, and we're all doing the most important job in the world. Who cares how it gets done so long as we are trying our best. Life is not fair, circumstances are not equal, we should all be supporting each other!
Unite!
This is a "fight" that no one is ever going to win. I think my husband and I fight over and over again about who works harder. He goes out to work every day and I stay home with the kids. It's just totally different work and totally different perspectives. The best we can do is respect what each other does and try to be understanding, especially on bad days, either at work or at home. Easier said than done sometimes, but in the end we know we are doing what is best for our family.
Sounds like Samantha had a pretty rough go of it lately, but it doesn't excuse her completely rude remarks and lack of consideration for WAHMs. She sounds unhappy, and there may be nothing she can do about it right now, but it seems like she just wanted to rain on someone else's parade. Sure, write about how miserable it can be to be a WOHM, but leave it at that.
I've been running into this (the annual before-Blogher-brouhaha) all over the place. And leaving this comment:
I've worked outside the home part time, worked outside the home full time, stayed at home and worked at home part- and full-time. Every permutation of working mom possible; I've done it.
They are ALL HARD. They all have pros and cons. I found each one to be very difficult in its own way.
All moms are working moms.
I think the reason this argument keeps coming up between WAHMs, WOHMs, and SAHMs is because we all feel like we are being judged, so we constantly feel like we have to defend ourselves. SAHMs feel like everybody thinks they have it easy. WAHMs feel like everyone thinks they aren't "really" working. WOHMs feel like everyone thinks they aren't dedicated mothers. I have written blogs about "if only I were a stay at home mom" that made me realize that I would probably be in the same position. I'd just be busy with other things besides work. I'd do cub scouts and be a homeroom mom and start a PTA. Thing I don't get to do because I'm at work for 8 or more hours a day. Do I feel like a bad mom? Heck no. My husband and I have an excellent schedule worked our for us. The only time the kids are away from us is when they are at school. I take them and he picks them up. It works for us and we're blessed to have it that way.
We recently joined a new church and the minute anyone found out we had 3 kids they automatically asked if I was a SAHM. One person said "Oh, 3 boys. Are you a homemaker?" To which I replied..."Well, yes I am. I just have 8 hours less a day to do it." Why do people assume that WOHMs are not homemakers? I still have laundry to do, dishes to do, house to clean, dinner to cook (which I do every single night). When I got home, I went online to find a group for Christian Working Mothers, and all I found were blogs written by SAHMs who said that, according to Titus 2, God desires mothers to stay at home. I suppose these women who write these blogs hope to save us WOHMs from a life of eternal damnation, and if that's the case, they probably should read a little further into the Bible about what really saves us. Reading Proverbs 31:10 wouldn't hurt either...
But I digress...the point is, we all need to quit worrying about what others are saying about us and those who are commenting on the state of a mother's duties should just mind their own effin' business. We're all doing what is best for our families. And if we're Christian or religious or spiritual in anyway, how we feel God feels about our being SAHMs or WAHMs or whatever is between us and God.
Wow Lindsay, it's getting really bitter out there in the blogosphere! I can't imagine why people are wasting so much energy on who works harder. Here's one WOHM who admires what you do and enjoys reading about it. I accept the choice I've made to work outside the home and I enjoy the work I do. If I had a martini in hand I'd say "here's to enjoying life"!
I would say that as a work at home mom (freelance translator) I work longer hours than the average work outside the home mom. I don't have a 40 hour workweek that's done when you leave the office. As my office is at home, most nights find me working late into the night (after working through the day).
I love the freedom that comes with scheduling my own work hours and being my own boss, but meeting deadlines and keeping clients (while doing most of the childcare and household chores, since I am the one who is "at home") is not an easy task.
God, I'm so behind I don't even know if my comment will get read now. :)
But this that you said?
"As for sick children, the issues are the same. Most WAHMs have deadlines. If I have a sick child or a traumatic family issue, there's a very real chance that my deadlines won't be met, and I risk losing that job for not meeting them, just as Samantha might lose her job if she leaves work."
Oh my hell, yes. I think that is one misconception that bugs me no end (well, that and friends who think they can call in the middle of the day and they aren't interrupting because it's not like I'm doing anything like WORK) about the work at home life.
It's very likely easier for a WAHM like myself to care for a sick kid. I can sit on the couch with my laptop and my child. I can write two paragraphs while they sleep fitfully and then care for them again when they wake up. But there have been many many times that I've gotten absolutely no work done to care for a sick child and I don't know why people seem to believe that doesn't matter.
I get paid for the work that I do and the work I do as a freelance blogger means quotas and deadlines and obligations. They don't pay me to write when I feel up to it. If I have a child vomiting into a bucket I still have to get that work done at some point, and I have to hope that they'll understand if it's a day later than it should have been. I have feared losing my job(s) more than once and that would be devastating to my family, just as much as it would for a WOHM because our lives depend on both the incomes.
I ended up writing my own post about this. If nothing else I guess it opens up dialog.
Okay, I don't know squat about being a WAHM or a WOHM, since I'm a DUDE.
Dadgum acronyms ;)
But I am moved to ask (and can *duck* after asking it if I must), what the hell is the difference? If you're balance career and family, isn't that hard work enough, whether you do it inside or outside the home?
I mean -- to use another of those pesky acronyms -- WTF???
It sounds a little bit like two kids doin' the "I work harder"..."no, I do!"..."no, I DO!".."I DID FIRST!"..."NUH-UH!"
Not that my opinion is worth a fart in a tornado, but I couldn't do Lindsay's schedule, nor would I want to try. I don't know Samantha, so I'll take her word that she works hard, too. But does Samantha working harder -- or imagining she does -- than Lindsay, mean a pea in a puddle in the scheme of things?
But heck, I'm just a simple-minded DUDE, what doesn't see the point of the argument. All you working moms are working hard. You always have, longer than history records. You always will. I respect working moms. I was raised by one. I might make a good trash-taker-outer for one yet.
Well....uh...we won't debate that last statement ;)
I just reckon you're all part of the greater sorority: Working Moms That Make The World Go, whether you're WOHMs or WAHMs, period.
Okay, ducking and covering now ;)
Lindsay, didn't you notice that one of mom bloggers, Daphne Brogdon, even admitted that moms who do "real work" is "a whole other deal"?
Woman can be so nasty to each other! If you guys were men, I'd kick you each in the nuts. (Just kidding- I'd just threaten to kick you and nudge you gently in the crotch.)
It's hard to be a mother, for f*&(!"%+=!&'s sake!!! Leave each other alone!!
By the way, do I get my own acronym if I take my kids to work with me? (Well, I did, until #2 came along and I found it was driving me f*&{!"%+=&ing crazy.)
WOHMWK? WIOMWKANGVMD? (That was "Work in office mom with kids and not get very much done?")
That's all. I've been drinking.
To be honest, this particular post isn't about Momversation and what was or wasn't said on that program. And Mindy, I don't think that anyone thinks the moms were responsible for leaving WOHMs out in your webisode. That was obviously a mistake made by your producers.
This post IS about the Momversation program because that is what prompted Samantha to speak her mind.
Let's get down to the real nitty gritty here. WOHM vs. SAHM vs. WAHM...it's not really about "whose job is more stressful" that causes such animosity...it's the attitude by some that being a SAHM or WAHM is *more important* than being a WOHM. That's what we're really debating underneath it all. Right?
Actually, Momversation prompted Samantha's post. Samantha's opinions on WAHMs prompted mine. Not Momversation. I like the women I know who are involved with that project, but I can't say I watch the show.
And I don't know anyone who thinks being a SAHM or a WAHM is more important than being a WOHM. Are you kidding?
I just absolutely hate this argument. I was a SAHM for a time, and then worked part time. Now I WOH full time. I agree completely with your point that not all WOH situations are the same, as aren't WAH situations. My full time situation is as good as it could be--I work 5 minutes from home, have a ton of flexibility, and a nanny, so I don't have to get the kids packed off to daycare, etc. My husband has a similar situation. So, all in all, I think we've got it pretty good. And when I'm sick, I get to stay home and REST--WAHM's don't get that. I'm aware how fortunate that is. I also get lunches, and time to surf the internet at work if I feel like it. So, all in all, my WOH situation I think is actually EASIER than your WAH job. I think juggling two things at once (working at home AND taking care of kids) would be extremely stressful. I hate the feeling of never being done. That being said, I did miss my older son's end of the year party at preschool last week, and that really sucked. I felt terrible about it. I think there are tradeoffs in both directions, and I just can't stand women who feel the need to put other mothers down. I believe we are all doing our best.
I love your blog, Lindsay and I don't think your work is a joke. However, I work outside the home because my job is keeping us from homelessness (no exaggeration). My child is with a stranger (loving yes, but still not me) and I see him 3 hours a day. I respect and enjoy your work, but I AM tired of WAHM whining.
Danielle Minnesota
Lindsay, I wish I was kidding about that.
"Being a SAHM is the most important job in the world." I hear it in person and I read it online often. It is a huge slap in the face to all women who work outside the home. I cannot even begin to think how someone would think or say something like that.
Yes, every mother's "job" is important. No argument there.
But, the teacher, that leaves her children in daycare so she can teach other children how to read and write...has an important job.
The surgeon who repaired operated on my son and saved his life...has an important job...and I hope to hell that this wife never bitches about how much time he spends at work and how she has to do everything because he's never home.
And, I even think the lady who hands me my #1 Value Meal out the window has a pretty damn important job too!
That's funny, because all I heard when I first became a SAHM was, "When are you going back to work?" And I thought THAT was a slap in the face because I WAS WORKING! Ha ha.
I have learned enough at this point to know that you can't unequivocally say SAHMs have it easier or WAHMs have it easier or WOHMs have it easier. There are just too many variables. I have mom friends in every imaginable situation, and really, every single one of them seems to be up to their ears in responsibilities and working harder than they ever have in their LIVES.
So really, what the hell are we even arguing about again?
Amen!
Of both articles and all the comments, The comment I agree with most is Lindsay's at 10:22 :)
I do wonder why we are having a contest over who's life is harder? Why is "hardest life" a title we wish to wear? That's interesting to me. I guess I lose. I stay at home with two little ones and I don't think it's very hard. LOL :) I applaud the ones who work harder than me, too!
Hi Lindsay,
I am the SMC you interviewed a while back.
This post is one of the reasons I don't get overly involved in mom groups....It's like HS redux.
In any case, it seems like many women have stories to tell about how hard things are, and my thought is that we as a country do not support our mothers or families. Perhaps if we truly had family values (defining families as they are), there wouldn't be this one-upwomanship....
It's odd to me that someone feels the need to slam mothers who work from home.
I don't know what is meant by the comment "I have worked from home, freelance writing". To what capacity has she worked as a freelance writer, I wonder?
Has she worked multiple writing jobs while looking after two kids under the age of two?
I don't get a lunch break. Or a coffee break. Or a pee break, come to think of it. I don't get 30 minutes in the car on my own with the radio on. I don't get an evening off when the kids are in bed.
For the WAHM the lines between work and home sometimes become blurred. Occasionally the two sort of merge into one another or overlap. And that that makes things extremely difficult. Like someone said earlier, it's not easy to write an assignment on your lap top while your kids yell outside the bathroom door.
And I agree, it makes a big difference if you enjoy your work. Maybe that's the issue. I'm a writer and I love my work. I also work in Starbucks occasionally. Why does it matter though, really?
I work in a hospital laboratory 40hrs/wk. My job there is mentally exhausting but I love it. BUT, I think being a stay-at-home mom would be tons more tough. When hubs is gone on the weekends and it's just the girl and I...well I love it but come Sunday night I'm pretty frazzled and way more mentally drained than after the same amount of time at work. I love my girl more than life itself and I would totally stay home if that were an option for us...but being a stay-at-home or work-from-home mom IS NOT all fluff. It's way harder than working at a regular job!
Have worked out of home and am now now working in an office.
Samantha doesn't know what she's talking about, if she's calling it a joke.
A friend of mine who knew I was upset about this ridiculous argument sent me an email yesterday. Her mom had been a stay at home mom. My mom worked outside the home. In our generation, my mom was the one who got chastised by people like her mom.
Why the flip?
Furthermore, why haven't we learned that such nastiness doesn't do anything for anyone? Why are we continuing to berate one another?
Why does someone always have to be wrong?
It's pretty clear to me that this is less about what other moms do and more about complaints about the companies they work for.
"I'd LOVE to work from home, but..." is what keeps coming up over and over again. It's a personal choice to work in that field or work for that company, but the blame comes out as "people who can do what I wish I could do don't work as hard as me."
The problem here is that the "mom" part needs to be removed from the equation. I've been working for the same company for 2.5 years, and about 2 months ago, I was offered the opportunity to telecommute. Honestly, I work longer hours now, but without the hour-plus commute, I have more time for myself and for my son (who is old enough to not need direct supervision).
I think that people think that writing is a lot easier than it really is and that having a successful blog is something that everyone could do, if they had the luxury of working from home. The bottom line is that most of them could make those choices, or could work a hobby after the kids go to bed or on weekends and turn it into a money making venture.
People aren't going to do that. It's a whole lot easier to snark at the people who are successfully working from home than it is to take a real look at your own personal choices.
I have to say that everytime I've looked into options for WAH, they've always paid significantly less for significantly more working time than my WOH job. But then, I'm a teacher, and that is not considered a "real" job by most 9-5 WOHM's either ;). And I also have to say that working on my Masters at home and occassionally scoring tests online for a major testing company at home while my two children run around me and howl is very stressful. In fact, it is so stressful, I got a part-time job during my maternity leave so I would have time to do my school work, LOL!
I've been thinking about writing about this on my blog. I think I might do that now.
Do what makes you happy. If somebody is envious of you it will manifest in many ways, but the common thread is that it will be a negative emotion. Forget them and go on being happy. It's worked miracles for me :)
Great blog!
Ryan
Sorry, Lindsay. Didn't mean to start a war over one little word.
As a full time WAHM for the last five years I applaud you for this post. In the last year I have started going to the office two days a week and it is a vacation for me some days. WAH has been the biggest blessing and the BIGGEST burden I have had to overcome. The expectations are overwhelming from my friends and family to maintain my home and from work to prove I'm putting in the time, effort and comittment as my collegues in the office. Plus the reward is a career that is stalled because you can't necessarily move up. The first time your child hushes you with the words "in a sec I'm in a meeting" it will break your heart. Yet I love my situation and love the ability to be near my children. I love I can grab a hug and watch them play in the yard. Thank you for defending those of us that have decided to chose what works best for us!
Man, oh man. I just do not understand this need that some moms have to berate other moms for how "easy" they feel their lives are. Who CARES if someone chooses to work outside of the home, stay home and work, or *gasp* stay home full time with their kids? I don't think I have it any easier or harder than any other mom, simply for the fact that I am a MOM: It's all hard. I totally agree with your post about this article...this "Samantha" person does not know you, or me, or any other moms' particular situation, so why is it her place to deem HER job so much harder, waaaaahhhhh? I guarantee that there are days that she would look at my SAHM life, with two whiny, sick kids and a house full of crap to clean up and bills to pay and dishes to do and she would say "HA! I sure am glad I get to go to work today." And vice versa: There are days (most days, in fact) that I say to myself "I sure am glad to be able to stay home with my kids and not have to get dressed at 5am and go in to an office for ten hours." I just wish that all moms could be supportive of each other no matter what "job" we do, because we ALL have the hardest job of all: Motherhood.
Wow! I'm 49 with no kids--by choice-- and I don't know how ANY of you do it! I admire all of you for having children at all. Seems to me the way to work on home/life/work balance it is to band together to give everyone a break--SAHMs, WAHMs and WOHMs alike.
What can those of us without kids do to help, besides being understanding at work, volunteering to babysit and supporting family-friendly policies in business and government?
In Samantha's article she "empathetically" states a lot of "I know..." statements that come across condescending and insincere. Being a WAHM and a WOHM both provide different challenges and there are indeed so many variables to consider as Lindsay points out at the end of her post. While it is difficult to compare exactly the work days of the WAHM and WOHM they are BOTH challenging. I think we should all be able to agree about that. What I do not agree with, is Samantha diminishing the struggle and challenges that WAHM's face in finding the balance between mothering and working at home. To diminish that struggle is the "f-ing joke." I think Samantha makes it clear as a WOHM, that it is challenging for her to find such balance. I feel like we moms as a whole, put way to much pressure on ourselves and feel guilty for way to much as it is. The last thing we need is to feel bad about ourselves from fellow moms. After all, at the end of the day we are all moms who most likely birthed some babies, which makes us all pretty f-ing awesome.
Until last year I owned a small retail store. I worked in the store a few days a week, but did all of the office work at home around my two children's schedules. Some days I worked out of the home, some days in. It was damn hard. We sold the business and now I am at home full time with them. Guess what? Still damn hard.
Motherhood, no matter how you slice it, is no f*#ing joke!
That's rough. It's rough that we are, once again, attacking each other for who has it harder. Who cares? I am blessed to have the choice, in my job, to work at home if I need to, or to come into the office. Most days I go into the office, because the office doesn't have the distractions that home has - the laundry, the sweeping, the bills, the... everything. Other times I will have sick kids that need tended to, so I will choose to work at home. Those days I don't get as much done, because (duh) I need to tend to those kids. And the doctor's appointments. And the puking, and the cleaning up.
So, in my own experience? Working outside the home is easier for me. But that's my job, and my experience. And everyone else has their own situations, and their own experiences. I wouldn't call yours, Lindsay, a joke just as I wouldn't call Samantha's the same. Most WOHMs that I know, only really work 40 hours a week. Obviously, that depends on their job, their position, their stature within their company, etc. Most WAHMs that I know, never feel like they can get away. Is that the norm? I don't know. But I know that we would all be a lot happier if we could all go on vacations to Tahiti every other week and spend every moment doing what we wanted to do, rather than trying to make money for our families. Can we just agree on that? If we really need something to complain about, then SAHMs, WAHMs, WOHMs... let's all just complain about not going to Tahiti enough.
I agree. Let's not assume that the grass is greener on the other side! Everyone is juggling many variables no matter what their situation. As a mom who works full time 8-4:30 in my home, works part-time as a freelance instructional designer, and sends my child to daycare for a chunk of each work day, I feel like I am kind of in the middle of the WOHM/WAHM battle. Yes, I dont work in an outside office (which offers many benefits), but I deal with many obstacles of both sides. I think many are jealous of my work-at-home status, but I find myself jealous of other's situations. I need to remind myself as I remind others - the grass isnt always greener on the other side!
Why do so many women feel a need to judge one another? It's as if there is an unspoken contest to see who is really working harder/doing more. Shouldn't we be supporting each other, regardless of our working status?
WOHMs, WAHMs and SAHMs all have incredibly difficult jobs. I think it's time we give one another the respect that we all deserve.
first time here in your blog!
do not mind negative comments of readers regarding your work at home status. insecurity and bitterness sometimes get the most out of some people. if you love being a work at home mom, then who cares right?
i am working as a web content writer, and i am thinking of doing some freelance work too that i can do at home.
I think your point about the variables is key. Sure, she can complain that her job is harder than someone else's. But where does the arguing stop? So does the Mom who is a resident at a busy hospital have it harder than the office worker? The Mom working the line in the factory? What about the Mom who works from home caring for other people's kids? Do we really have to one-up each other here?
Seriously. When will we learn that no one feels better when we build ourselves up by knocking someone else down.
I left this post on Samantha's site as well:
Bottom line? You all picked your poison… stay at home, work at home or work outside the home… I have worked ALL those options, as well as, stay at home with the kids (ages 4, 3 and an infant) and THEN go to work from 6pm to 1am while my husband (who worked all day) took care of dinner, baths and bedtime. All of you are a bunch of freakin crybabies… if you don’t like your situation… CHANGE IT instead of bitching about how bad you have it and how awesome everyone else’s life is…
I think that might be a little harsh. I don't think everyone posting is bitching.
Here's the bottom line:
ALL moms are being pulled in so many directions, and they are different directions depending on our own situations. But I love when moms talk about the bad and the ugly and not just the good-which is what I love about Suburban Turmoil. When we can empathize with one another and see the struggles other moms face we don't feel so alone in our own struggles. I would much rather swap war stories and share a little "momradery" (comradery for moms)than diminish the challenges any mom faces(which is what annoyed me about Samantha's post).
I mean this with all due respect...
I have to say I have a smile as I read this. Not a mean-spirited one, just a now-you-know-how-it-feels kind of one. I have had my toes stepped on more than a couple times from your opinions, but I like to be challenged and I enjoy your writing, so I come back. I can completely see you writing that same post as Samantha, but about a different topic. This time, she just hit a nerve with YOU!
Why is it that women like to make their jobs/responsibilites/work/life in general seem like the hardest in the world? When my daughter was diagnosed with birth defects, the 'online support groups' were really only competitions to see who parented the child with the worst defect. It is incredibly obnoxious. Men don't do this. Write a post on that!
Amen sistah! I wrote about this over at Babble a few months ago and earned myself a rant against me, but c'est la vie. I'm a work-at-home-mom, and it's hard. Some people are work-outside-of-the-house-moms and it's hard. Who's to say whose life is harder than the other?
The point is - we're both just trying to juggle it all.
I think these sorts of storms flare up because people are very insecure in their choices. It is hard not to be, when whatever you choose to do there is some vocal group in our society who is more than happy to tell you how you're damaging your children or setting back the cause of women's rights or something. From the insecurity comes the need to justify, and once you start justifying, you start making arguments about why the other options are wrong.
What we forget in all of our arguments is that what works for me and my family might be a disaster for someone else and her family. There is no single right way to do it. There probably isn't even a single right way for any one family- there are just ways that work and ways that don't.
I'm a very happy WOHM. I've got a post planned on that, actually, and one of these days I'll get around to writing it. I look back on what I heard as a young grad student about why there weren't more women in science, and the difficulty of balancing work and motherhood was always on the list. It freaked me out and made me consider changing my career plans. Now that I'm actually doing it- it isn't easy, but it isn't impossible. And I like it better than any of the alternatives, which includes being a SAHM. We could have made choices that made that financially possible for us. We chose not to because I like to work.
I have equal respect for all types of moms- WAHM, WOHM, SAHM, part-time combinations of the above... each way has its challenges and its advantages. I wish we could get to the point AS A SOCIETY (because I don't think this sort of uproar happens in a mom-only vacuum- we're all getting messages from the rest of society, too) where we could all just say "hey, this is what works for me. If something different works for you, that's great."
Holy crap, there's a lot of hating on each other in these comments! You people need to settle down and have a muscle relaxer...I'll share mine. :-D
I think with every situation comes a different set of challenges and I dont think any of them are easy.
I do however, get annoyed when SAHM say they work 24/7, 365 days a year and dont get a day off like WOHM do- since when is going to work a day off? If I'm not at work I'm working- taking care of my daughter and cleaning house. I think most moms in any position work 24/7, 365 days a year.
It's just a shame that moms cannot just support each other. Calling me a joke because I work from home? So, making money to help support my family while taking care of my baby is a joke? How's this for funny??? Most mom's who work outside the home get about two or three months off for maternity leave. Since I work from home, no one even considered me taking maternity leave. I got home with my daughter on Thursday and I was working that Monday.
When will we all just own our choices?
It's all hard.
The End.
I think the snark goes for all work at home people, regardless of gender.
The shit my husband puts up with from people who think his time is less valuable and is MORE flexible because he works from home drives us both nuts.
He is also trying to work with two kids wanting him to PLAY with them.
He is also putting up with me interrupting for confabs and so on.
He works way more than 9 to 5 too.
Bitterness lies everywhere..you can't win.
We really are our own worst enemy. When are we going to realize that we're all out there doing what each of us think is best for our own family? This fairly reeks of the Who Has the Biggest Penis Game. Ladies, it's time to put them away.
Well-written post, Lindsay. The only thing I want to add is that EVERY mother is a full-time mother. I may not be the person who puts my kids down for naps or feeds them lunch during the work week, but I never take my mom hat off. The minute I get home from my office job, I pick up right where I left off. No 20 minutes to recoup, no taking naps, no down time. I take time off to make doctor's appointments and I get up in the middle of the night and I think about them constantly when I'm away. So it stings a little when inferences are made that only stay-at-home moms can call themselves full-time moms. I think I've earned the same right, just in a different way.
I don't think you were trying to add fuel to the fire, and this may have been addressed in the comments already (no time to read them yet); I just thought it was important to put that out there.
I stopped reading around comment #100 for time's sake. I am currently a WOHM who has been a SAHM.
It sounds to me like Jenn @ Juggling Life had the best suggestion. You'll never be happier looking at someone else's greener grass. If you think you are unhappy in your own situation (it's too hard, other people have it easier, etc) then you are doing a disservice to yourself and everyone else in your life if you just continue to wallow in the "woe is me". Work to effect the change you can to make you happier about your own circumstances.
(And in my own mind, there are challenges to every job, WAHM, SAHM, WOHM. Those challenges are just different for everyone.)
"I think that in the end, we'd come out even."
I disagree....sorry, Lindsay. I've worked from home for 3 1/2 years now and it's not a joke, by a long shot, but it is CERTAINLY the best of both worlds. No, there's not a "break" from life, but can't SAHMs say the same? Isn't it all a matter of perspective? WOHMs probably think they never get a break as well.
I agree with PPs. In the last 2 hours, I worked, did a load of laundry, read to my one-year-old, put her down for a nap, unloaded the dishwasher, IM'd with two coworkers, checked my rss reader, read this blog, and now I'm replying to you. In my pjs, without the meetings, in the "calm" of my home.
CERTAINLY not all days are like this, but I will take the sh*tty, chaotic days of not enough time, energy or ME to go around over working FT in an office, or not working at all and feelings of not contributing at home.
BTDT, and this? Is the sweet spot.
Mir, I totally think it depends on the person, the work, and the amount of work. I think, for example, that if I were a full-time columnist at a newspaper or magazine, I'd be writing far less than I am now and have far more focused time in which to do it, yet that's the only way I would be a "real working mom" by Samantha's standards.
I personally love staying home with my kids and diving into the madness of working at home, yet I know more than a few moms who are sure they'd go CRAZY if they couldn't get out of the house and go to the office. So for them, working at home definitely would not be preferable.
And Frema, I didn't mean to imply that all moms aren't full time moms. I'm sure I worded several things in this post less-than-perfectly. Sorry!
Love your blog, Lindsay. Sorry that people love to pick on you. As my mom recently told me (I am in a position of leadership in my church), those who are leaders take crap from everyone. It goes with the territory.
I have a very different perspective on all this, being that I am stay at home, but not a mom (yet). To tell you the truth, I am a lazy slob who sits around on the computer for much of the day. I don't clean house much. I don't do much of anything. But I have my own set of challenges. Don't we all? I believe God only gives us challenges that we personally can handle. It's easy to judge someone when you haven't walked in their shoes.
I think "calling someone out" on the way they live their life, according to their blog, is really rude. Don't we have blogs to have a place to vent? I know I do that on mine a lot!! So it isn't fair to tell someone to stop complaining because their life is so much easier than yours, right? I'm sorry this all has happened. Like I said, we all have our own set of challenges, so it's not fair to judge others.
"Mir, I totally think it depends on the person, the work, and the amount of work. I think, for example, that if I were a full-time columnist at a newspaper or magazine, I'd be writing far less than I am now and have far more focused time in which to do it, yet that's the only way I would be a "real working mom" by Samantha's standards."
Very true, but then you would be missing out on a substantial amount of your children's lives and childhood. And it does depend on the person. The first year sucked for me, but I've found my discipline and routine and it works well for me.
I find that the latter of your statement is the most true thing about WAHMs. We're easily offended because there's no one but our children to validate all our hard work. If you were in your desk, your boss and coworkers would be there to attest to your work. At home that's not the case. We don't get credit where credit is due, but at the same time I know very few 8-5, M-F WAHMs, so it's easier for people to wonder when you're working if you're at play dates or grocery shopping, and so on.
Personally, the thing I find most offensive is how WAHMs are automatically assumed to be certain things. Avon, Mary Kay, tupperware sales, "crafties" and even bloggers, etc. And then "they" assume that they could easily do it too. Sorry, my degree and 8 years experience say I'm a professional at what I do, and no I can't just "teach" you what I do so you can do it too.
Not putting down those ladies who do make their livelihood in those areas, but it is offensive when people assume that's all WAHMs are.
I'm a SAHM, I was a WOHM. I think at this point in the conversation that the person I agree with the most is the self-proclaimed 'DUDE'. Skunkfeathers you've got it all right.
Why are we always competing? I think we all need to just concentrate on our own lives and be there to support one another. Stop pointing fingers, stop judging, stop trying to 'one-up' the next mom, or WOMAN rather. It's a cat-fight. It only makes women look bad in general.
Everyone handles their stresses differently and everyone prioritizes how they see fit. We are all INDIVIDUALS and we have different views, feelings, and needs.
I have to say that I used to stress M-F to get to work on time so that I didn't get chewed out and I would have to race to get to the daycare on time so I didn't have to pay an extra $15 for being late...again. I felt so relieved on Friday to be going home to 'relax' but by Sunday night I was looking forward to the break from the home/mommy stresses.
Stop bickering and start living. Move on and get over it! Nobody is better than the next. We are all humans.
I'm so sick of the bickering in general. All the 'I'm a co-sleeping, non-spanking, breastfeeding until 2, organic, make my own baby food, my kid can read at 1' VS 'my child sleeps in his/her own bed, I spank and do timeout when it's necessary, formula feeders because bf'ing didn't work out or I didn't want to, my kids eat hotdogs and mac n' cheese' mothers. Who CARES!!! Are you kids alive and healthy? That's ALL that matters. Fresh vs. frozen, blah blah blah. Stop comparing yourselves.
This whole thing just makes me so aggravated. I'm rambling and slightly incoherent! I just can't stand reading and hearing all of this bickering back and forth crap. That's what it is, CRAP. Stop wasting your time on this stuff and find something better to do.
Mary Ann, I had to laugh reading your comment because I can't tell you how many times I've felt that way. Writing it all out makes me feel so much better. Hope it did the same for you.
As previously stated, women need to support, not tear down. There’s no need for all of this BS. Does anyone even know how lucky they are that they can have this argument? I cannot have kids for medical reason, and cannot adopt given current finances. I’m not trying to play the “I’ve got it worse than you do game.” I just want other women to realize their fortune.
To expand upon jcaroline’s point, and maybe add fuel to the fire, what about the working mothers who deal w/ kids, deadlines, and also have to take care of their own parents who are in poor health?
The DUDE really did sum it up best. Props, DUDE.
Lindsay, it's not a freaking contest.
And anyway, going to Starbucks is different than an office since your boss can't just pop in on you at any second. It just is.
I will say about working from home: the social isolation would kill me.
Hey Lindz,
I just read Sam's post and every.single.comment over there and then hopped over to your post and plowed through every.single.comment.
(Thank goodness for bedtimes and the two hours a day I get with out a small child needing me.)
What I realized after reading all these comments and your post is that I am entirely blessed to not only have a job that I love that I can do at home, but that I'm able to be at home with my children.
I feel spoiled with blessings. I feel bad for all the other momma's out there who aren't as blessed as I am.
Great post by the way.
It's Velveteen Mind's "Heirarchy of Suffering" - in working/motherhood.
You can't bitch and whine about how hard you have it as a SAHM because there's a WAHM who has it worse, but then a WOHM with a 40 minute commute has it worse, but then there's a WOHM with a WOHD who both have hour long commutes in totally different directions and AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH. You will kill yourself trying to get everyone to understand that *YOUR* pain sucks. Your situation sucks the life out of you on X day while someone else wishes they were in your shoes. I wish I could be a WAHM, but I know that I couldn't do my job with a toddler or an infant hanging around!
The ability to walk into my spare bedroom in my ratty comfy pants, tshirt, no bra & a clippy in my hair & call that "going to work" - that would be freaking priceless in my world!
I was going to say what my situation is, but why bother? I'm a mom. It's work no matter the circumstance. I think the author of this post (and many others) make the great point that all of our lives have very different variables. I hate these stupid acronyms. How can we sum ourselves up in a few little acronyms? Our society (in general) can be so judgmental it makes me want to weep.
Well said! Especially the part about husbands of WAHMs helping probably more than WOHMs- I know my poor husband has done that many times, he gets in the door and I'm all DUDE I GOT NOTHING DONE TODAY! WHINY KID! WAAAA! HELP! and I proceed to hide away downstairs to crank out some work while he takes care of bath and bedtime. The guilt I feel over that is hard, I know all he wants to do after a long day at work is deal with a cranky kid. My hunch is that if both parents work full time out of the house, a lot of the home stuff in the evenings falls to the mom by default (at least in my experience & listening to friends, that's the case in a lot of situations)
WAHMs have a unique task: balancing the work and home ON THEIR OWN. There is no official 'boss' telling us what to do- for me, I'm self-employed so the drive must come from me. I can slack off, sure, and the only consequence is that my clients will be mad... but it's not the same as a boss. So in a way, the pressure is more- or at least very different- because it has to come from within myself. And sometimes that is HARRRRD when all I want to do is play playdoh with my kid :)
I've done both. Working from home is harder (for me). I miss the office-- the adult companionship, the lack of interruptions, the understanding by everyone around me that I was WORKING and therefore could not be expected to go make one of my coworkers a snack or scrub a toilet.
But working from home is also more rewarding (for me) so I consider it an equal trade.
I understand, though, that working at an office might be harder for some. I think what is easiest for you depends on a lot on your family dynamics, your job, and your own personality, because, SURPRISE! everyone is different.
Some people clearly do not understand that the fact that I take my son to the library in the middle of the day means I will be working until 1 a.m. to meet a deadline. They do not understand that, because I have no office hours, that means my clients feel free to contact me at any time and feel free to ask me for things at any time and SO DO MY FAMILY MEMBERS and often I am being bombarded by requests on all sides. They don't get that being my own boss means that I must do my own taxes and my own advertising and my own office supply shopping and message taking etc., and so I work harder for less money than I used to make when I was an employee.
But you know what? I still feel lucky to be able to choose the people I work with and be near my son. I still feel guilty when I tell WOHMs that I work from home. Because I wish more mothers had the option to choose.
Um, yeah, WAHMs also don't get the benefit of health insurance or employer perks a lot of the time, either. I, for one, don't get to "escape" to Starbuck's to do my writing or phone calls for my freelance job. I do it when my son is napping, often praying that he'll stay asleep long enough for me to make just ONE more phone call or finish ONE more paragraph. And after a full day of caring for his every need? I still have house work AND "real" work to do when he goes to bed. Not to mention the fact that I don't get a lunch break or any contact with other adults during my day, save my husband and the occasional grocery store employee. Don't get me wrong, I love my situation, but DUDE. Give us a break.
Samantha, Zoot and I all debated this last week over at my place, because I agree with you- we all need to stop pointing fingers and just leave each other and our choices alone. As Motherhood Uncensored and I said in our separate posts- it's all just because we're all just a little bit envious of what we all do/ don't have. Now let's stop the smackdowns and have a cocktail, shall we?
Interesting perspective because I have just traded my full-time, outside job for a from-home, freelance job BUT, I'm single without any kids. From that, I'd offer that my job from home is every bit as challenging and time-consuming as my outside job was, PLUS, there is an added pressure to have the perfectly clean house, all the errands run, and everything in order "because you have time since you're at home anyway." I can't even imagine adding a kid or two- or FOUR like you- to that!!
I can see both perspectives. I'm sure you work extremely hard, but I would much rather work at home than in an office all day. Maybe people are jealous of your situation. You get to see your kids more than most working moms.
Just my opinion
As a work-at-home new mom, I'm just glad to hear from other work-at-home moms. Lindsay, I'd love it if you would write more about your strategies for finding time to do your work while juggling everything else. :-)
A lot of WAHMs I know get the bulk of their work done early in the morning before the kids wake up or at night, after they've gone to bed.
I'm not a morning person and I like to spend my evenings with my husband.
So.... I convinced him that we needed to factor in eight hours of babysitting a week in order to take on extra writing work. That helps a lot. I add in a few hours a week during my son's naptime- My daughter doesn't nap much anymore, but she understands that Bruiser's naptime is our "quiet time." Either I put on a movie for her or she plays computer games while I work.
And Hubs watches the kids for two or three hours every weekend while I work. Sometimes one evening a week, too, if I have a greater-than-usual workload. That's how I make it work. Basically, you have to take a few months to look at your schedule and figure out what you need to do to make it work. Childcare is hardest for me, because it is always tough to find someone who's willing and able to come just two mornings a week, 4 hours at a time. I am continually having trouble with that arrangement.
OK. women of the world unite. For 1 brief moment in time quit comparing your martyr-loads and relax. What mom doesn't work 1000+ hours a week? What mom doesn't feel under pressure to do it all and do it all while looking great and smiling? What mom doesn't worry about their kids all the time? We constantly compare ourselves to each other to make ourselves feel better about our own shortcomings. So stop it. Let it go. Know that you are doing the best you can and will try to do it better tomorrow. But quit judging the chick next to you until you walk a mile in her Choos/Old Navy flipflops/ sensible flats/tennis shoes/ or work heels.
This topic makes me sad. It's an unwinnable arugment from both sides. It seems like the female version of who has the biggest d*&k. People make choices, if they can even afford that luxury, based on their needs and perceptions. Some may find it easier to stay at home and WORK, others may find it easier to WORK outside the home, and then come home and do more WORK. And some may find a balance of both options, part-time.
I saddens me now, that with so many choices, women still pit themselves against each other if others' choices are different.
Whether moms work in the home, at home, our outside the home, it's a position that deserves respect, because it's never easy. Good parenting takes energy and presence- being at home, doesn't guarantee that's happening. Just like working outside the home doesn't guarantee children will be maladjusted. I'm sure all of us have seen that.
I've worked at home for the past 9 years, and believe me, the grass is always greener. When I worked in an office, I didn't have to worry that my kids would get hungry in the middle of a long client meeting. Or, feel the huge mommy guilt when my daughter wants nothing more than to be read to when I have a looming deadline. And, I was able to 'turn off' work the minute I left the office, instead of working constantly to make up for that one 15 minute time-out needed to get thru the day. Sure, the positives entirely outweigh the negatives..but it's difficult to get your children to understand that although Mommy is right there, she can't do all those fun things at the moment. It can be such a complex setup..You feel as though you have go the extra mile to ensure your boss sees your work and knows you are an asset, and you feel guilty about the quality time you can't spend with the kids, so you try to go that extra mile for them as well. Very tiring!
I am a guy and I think that the better issue here is whoever has better breaks and over all enjoyment or fulfillment because those things are what we want in a better life. Instead of battling it out who has more pain doing what they do, I want to see who loves it more and willing to have more of that in what they do. Congratulations to all of you for being responsible individuals.
As a WOHM, I will freely raise my hand and admit that I'm jealous of WAHMs. I WISH my career was one in which I could easily telecommute, but sadly, it's notsomuch (I'm a paralegal).
Yes, I realize that if I were to be a WAHM, it would bring about its own challenges and balancing acts, for sure, but I KNOW that I would relish it rather than what I have now, which is being gone 60+ hours a week between my commute and my work day.
The guilt is staggering.
If having a child around doesn't make it harder to get work done, then offices would let people bring their children in...but most don't and those that do keep them in a separate daycare room and hire people to specifically take care of the children.
I've been ALL three - First, a WOHM with a newborn... that was hard. Then I quit my job when my son was 1 to be a SAHM, that was pretty freaking hard (and lonely) too. Then I transitioned back into the workforce with a Kindergartner and a 3 year old as a WAHM, I felt like I was working 24 hrs a day - VERY HARD. Now I'm back at being a WOHM. My kids are a bit older (12 and 8) and its going okay. But some days just suck, no matter what. You know, I have very little interest in advising other women what kind of mom they need to be. SAHM, WOHM, WAHM, they all have their benefits and their drawbacks. HOWEVER, if you want me to throw down, then just tell ME what I SHOULD be doing or what I'm doing isn't as hard as what you're doing. Seriously, we're all different, our kids are different, our jobs are all different, and we're all at different places with this motherhood thing. Women like Samantha irritate me as much as women like Suzanne Venker (a Dr. Laura diciple). Please already... isn't it enough just to be doing what you're doing without worrying about what I'm doing? Great article and great perspective Lindsay, as usual.
Best,
K
Really? Another thing to argue about? Natural vs. Drugs? Breast vs. Bottle? Co-sleeping vs. Crying It Out? Disposable vs. Cloth?
Sigh. I find this argument tedious and dull. Let's face the fact that our society does not support motherhood in general, which is why there are so many people blogging about being a mother and how hard it is. Our support system had deteriorated. Families are paying the price.
WAHM, SAHM, WOHM -- whatever. It's hard out there, baby. All this energy spent bitching could be used to discuss the real problem -- the rising cost of living, which forces both parents to work to achieve a minimal standard of living.
Great post. I linked here from MU.
At the moment - I do all three. SAHM, WAHM, & WOHM.
I'm busier than shit. But....
I have it good. One isn't always better/easier/lazier than any of the others. We're all knee deep in apple juice and poop and time outs and typing, and volunteering, and chauffeuring, and getting to our jobs - where ever they may be.
This Samantha person and those that applaud her are nothing more then tired, pathetic whiners who aren't finding the reassurance that what they're doing is best for them so they're belittling others to rebuild their own sense of being. Reminds me of high school.
Grow up Samantha, and stop looking for the greener side of our lives to justify your own jealousy.
I think this is the most ridiculous thing I have ever witnessed...moms fighting over who's got it harder. I have been working from home for the past 7 years of the past 13 years that I have been with a large IT company. And there are both positives and negatives to working at home and working away from home. They are both challenging. I work from home and my manager expects results. I work 48 to 50 hrs a week. I barely get a lunch break.
I like working from home becasue I am here for the kids more...but it is not easier than working in the office..and I sometimes wish I could go into the office and socialize and have lunch with other adults ....etc...
Whether we are a SAHMs, WAHMs, or WOHMs, being a mother is not an easy task. But as long as we were able to balance our responsibilities in life, then, that would be fine.
Thank YOU. For writing this, I mean. Because holy hell, do I get shit for working from home. Not from moms I know online, but moms I know offline. It is freaking insane. The audacity of some of these women just...well, irks me and makes me angry, and defensive.
So, so glad I'm not alone.
Was up till the wee hours fighting with my husband about this very topic. Good post!
WAHM is the hardest thing I've done because I have to work while I break up fights. I don't get to focus on any one thing at a time---except for naptime...but then I just want to sit and take a break!! :) WOHMs get a lunch break don't they??
Thanks for the encouragement!!
Hey, I know I'm at the bottom of a long list of comments, but...
Until February, I had a part-time job as an early childhood director at my church. Which meant it was more ministry to me than a job. I poured countless hours into a job that was born from a calling in my heart, and it often took more hours than I got paid. When I started the ministry, I had two small children. A few years later, I had another child. For twelve years, I struggled between giving my all to my family and giving my all to my ministry. The house and all that came with managing it came in dead last. I was always behind at home.
Thirteen years later, I have four kids, and I've had a few months of just being a mom. No income. It has been tough in all new ways. My oldest two are teens, and I'm now managing their schedules, activities and emotional needs. Which I will admit I love more than I thought I would. But it's time-consuming. And I have two other kids!
In my "spare" time, I've been working on getting my fledgling photography business really off the ground once and for all. Networking and marketing take time. Shoots take time. Processing takes time. I feel like I am metaphorically spinning my wheels every day.
My point in all of that is that I haven't found this field of dreams time continuum that we all seem to be in search of. We look at other moms and think, "How in the world does she find time for all that?!" I still can't get my house clean, I'm still running my behind off to keep up with school and activities and doctors' appointments and grocery shopping. I can't imagine trying to fit an "outside" job into my life. And people with "outside" jobs probably would wonder what the heck my problem is.
All of that to say that I think women are generally designed to adapt to whatever the situation is at hand. We make choices, and then we deal with them. In the end, whether we get paid for a job inside or outside of the home or whether we just devote our time entirely to home and family, we're all WORKING. I know my capabilities and my family's needs far greater than anyone else. While I might have opinions on how someone else runs her life, it's REALLY not my place to judge. And at the end of the day, as long as my family is loved, that's really all that matters.
And I call my laundry room my office.
And I really need to figure out how to make MY blog earn some money!
Love reading your column...I think we'd be great friends...
The end.
I thought "Queen for a Day" went off the air years ago.
Good god, it's ww3 out there. This whole thing is missing the point I think.
My issue isn't with the WAHM's, it is with everything else. Classes for kids, day camps, mother's groups, they're all geared towards the WAHM, SAHM crowd. Not only do I have to work all day at an office (my choice, sort of), and get about three hours a day awake with my kid on week days, but those fun enriching things that y'all get to do with your kids, I don't. I get penalized because I don't have that option. So, can we take this energy and direct towards the class options and try to get me some better ones? K, thanks! :)
It is rough on the dads who WOH too...
Though I am an avid reader of all your work and agreed with much of this post, I can't get over this statement.
"Husbands to WAHMs generally end up taking care of the kids alone far more, I'm guessing, than husbands of WOHMs"
What exactly do you think the husbands of WOHMs do? For one there is the SAHD or maybe the WAHD, who I'm sure takes care of the kids the most. Second, who says that both parents work the same shifts and arrive home at the same time? My parents worked opposite shifts in order to keep me out of daycare so guess who was home when I got out of school? It wasn't mom. Dad took care of dinner, homework, bathtime and playtime all on his own, from ages 5-10.
I think the real truth here is that being a parent (not just a mom) is HARD. Any good mom or dad wants to watch their kid grow up and not pay a stranger to raise them. The reality is that some people just don't have the option to do one or the other. I'm also sure many SAHMs miss their work outside the home as well. Instead of playing the who has it harder game, why can't we just sympathize with each other?
Hmmm... being a full time mom can be as challenging as any full time job.
I'm so tired of the "mommy wars" that I flip the middle finger to anyone who gives me crap for staying home. Okay, I only do it mentally.
Why, why, WHY? Why can't we as human beings acknowledge that every person's circumstances are their own and stop throwing stones? When my husband lost his job, I went back to work for a short time to make ends meet and avoid borrowing money from his parents. I hated it and I called my WOHM friends every day to ask how they do it and can we go for drinks, oh wait, that's why you never leave your kids with a babysitter because I feel so guilty for even thinking of leaving them after a full days work. *breath*
My husband is still under-employed, but thanks to Dave Ramsey we can see ourselves through the next few months of interviews. The point is; every parent has to prioritize, and we are supposed to give each other the benefit of the doubt. What if that woman who works because she says she isn't a great "toddler mom" is right? What if working keeps her from beating her kids and she only discovered that after she had them? Who the fuck am I to judge? I don't care if her husband is making 7 figures. I do care that she has a weekly mani/pedi, but that's cause I'm jealous.
Sorry, I don't get it. I'm friends with moms from all walks of life. We all do our best, if we're good people. Can't that be enough?
Amy Lynn,
Did you say in one of your posts that you are NOT a mom? Then what gives YOU the right to judge ANYONE or even be on this site? You are obviously one of those know-it-all types that has to give her opinions where you don't belong. You judge people, then you will be judged back. If you dish it out, then you need to take it.
thank you. thank you. thank you. i was a regular reader of that blog until the WAHM/WOHM post.
Lindsay,
BRAVO!!
I'm gonna keep this short, cause I really don't want to get controversial. But isn't there something to be said for WAHM and WOHM being vastly different? I mean, isn't that the whole point??
Frankly, I hope that you're making a killing off of your writing, I'm not. I work from home because I can contribute a little bit while walking out MY real calling, which, in my opinion, is being a mom.
I plowed through all of the comments as well, a whole lot of bitterness. For the record, I have done both. Mostly in the office (I work PT) and a few days a month from home. Neither is "easier", just a different set of stress. The whole argument is BS. Though, I am WAY JEALOUS of the Starbucks thing. I love my coffee and would kill to have the Starbucks counter so close by : ) Your work is fantastic, you put out a good product.
Just a thought: do you think MEN would spend any time arguing about this? Probably not. I think a lot of this is wasted energy. I admit, I work ourside the home full time and initially thought I has an opinion on this but upon reflection, realized that I don't really know what it's like to work at home. So to each her own!
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